T-64B OP

[bigbadbaza]

Can we please nerf this damn tank?! I understand it's one of the better Soviet tanks but it's not knocking out Abrams with one hit and winning a 4v1 against Challengers

[Urk_da_WAAAGH!]

Originally posted by armInIuS:

Originally posted by Urk_da_WAAAGH!:

I am referring to your video and your claim on the Leopard man.

My wrong then. As I said, OSINT did geolocate it and counted it as one complete loss (T72) and one disabling (T80). And i think its the most "neutral" source we can get atm.

Well, this again is going on the off topic side of things, but I have a impression this thread ain't lasting a lot longer anyway.

I linked several vídeos, a lot of them showing Russian tanks being taken out. My point is that rarely if any at all of those you can say x killed y. Usually is a combined effort of several different weapons and teams and the situations vary a lot like some show already disabled vehicles being destroyed to avoid recovery by the other side for example.

But again, the thread is about how the T-64 feels OP IN GAME and later people have called for arguing Leopard 2 armor IN GAME, so I have no interest on further discussing any actual conflict.

[Dekillos]

Originally posted by armInIuS:

And no, the tanks are seen leaving the place unscathed, try again dude

hahaha what??

heres the complete video seeing how that T90 crashes into a tree and the crew abandon it. What are you even talking about?

Here is the uncut video. Its funny how you say the Leopard video is cut but then provide a cut video from the T90 destruction and say it left w/o beeing destroyed. Well here is your full and uncut video showing how that tank was disabled and abandoned by the crew. Please, have a close look starting from 0:33 seconds.

Second, the origin topic is about the penetration skills of DU. And i just provided a video to you showing 30mm DU penetrating a T90. I dont think its off topic. Which you, quote, sayed there is not a video of western DU penetrating or destroying russian equipment.

The Bradley gun did not penetrate the armor, but destroyed all the attached equipment. The turret wedge was caused by a drone FPV hit.
Can I use as an argument the case of the Turkish Leopard 2s, which were destroyed by old Soviet ATGMs?

[Urist]

Originally posted by Urk_da_WAAAGH!:

Originally posted by Urist:

What book is that from?

Also that thing literally says that it protects against DM23 120mm APFSDS from a 60° frontal arc at all ranges and is also not threatened by anything up to 136mm HEAT

the DM23 120mm goes through most soviet armor like butter as the Ukrainian army has demonstrated quite well last year...

British RARDE, available on the British national museum, you may want to take some time to do some research on things like these, otherwise you may do some silly claims like my source being war thunder or having any documented case of a Russian vehicle being destroyed by a Leopard.

Yeah, there isn't a single documented case of any Russian vehicle being disabled by a Leopard, claiming that there is and claiming that a specific ammo was used is a even bolder and falser claim. There is one case of a supposedly Leopard 2 shooting at a T-72B3, however both tanks don't appear on the same plane on the video and the video clearly shows that a HEAT or HE ammunition hit the T-72 without causing any major damage at all being able to retreat from the position.

If you want to make claims take some time doing actual research first.

So you're just going to conveniently continue to ignore the part where the document you posted says you'Re wrong?

[mndbsd]

arguing with natoboos is a fools errand.

T-64's and T-80's in the '80's were bad cuz T-72's in 2024 are bad...

[mndbsd]

also @OP, stop playing the pirated version of the game, the T-64B is long gone, only available on piratebay.

You wouldn't download a car now would you? Kappa

[molnibalage]

Originally posted by Brother Pedro:

The scenario you described, one-shotting M1A1, or winning vs 4 Challengers is close to impossible. T64B is a thoroughly average tank for its price. There is no need to bring any alleged real world stats to this discussion either, or even using different tactic. Just objectively look at its stats.

Its 17 AP gun is very weak for a 200+pt tank, in fact lower than frontal armor of all "heavy tank" so it can't even fire at max range against its peers. At 16 FAV, its taking 2+ damage from all other heavies (2 damage vs Challenger, which has the lowest AP among NATO heavies).

Also I think at this point there's a total of 1 card of T64B in the entire PACT for the Berlin division. It's a silly unit to complain about.

It is good to read and see that at least some ppl. who make comment here are not lunatic.

[Thourq]

Originally posted by Radioshow:

autoloader tanks are bugged they get am INCREASE in ROF from veterency

Honestly, this is something I'm surprised hasn't been addressed. Thankfully they aren't able to get 11 rounds per minute RoF until Elite but.. still, that shouldn't be possible at all.

[Mighty-Python-20]

A very wet paper bag is also OP

[(13th WG) Vladimir Putin]

Originally posted by IKiINIgTv:

Originally posted by Urk_da_WAAAGH!:

Effective armor of the Leopard 2a4 hull against kinetic rounds is 300mm.

T-64bv however has 450mm of effective hull armor against kinetic rounds.

If anything the game is being generous to the Leopard by using the stronger turret armor to balance out.

Is kinda of a shame a german that doesn't know that the hull of the Leopard 2 is its biggest weakspot

I don't know what you were smoking, but the hull of the Leopard 2A4 has an armor of 600 mm and the turret of 690 mm (KE bullets)!!!

these numbers are purely made up
the leopard 2A1/2A2/2A3 with B pakete has been rated at over 350mm effective comparable to the base M1 abrams on both the turret and the hull...

even the best cold war armored package for the leopard, the C pakete, is only 400-450mm equivalent at best

source: https://i.gyazo.com/916aa528358a120a5758784788210ff5.png

[thupreem gent]

Originally posted by bigbadbaza:

Originally posted by crit:

have you heard about air support.

Believe it or not I have heard of air support but I find the whole air element pretty tedious tbh. I don't mind the occasional helo or fast jet but the novelty wears off pretty quickly

Lol you're obviously only fighting AI with this mindset.

"I'm gonna win the match anyway, why bother with planes"

If that's the case please hush about balancing. AI fighters and 10v10 players, both.

[PirateMan]

Originally posted by IKiINIgTv:

Originally posted by crit:

have you heard about air support.

What do you always want with your air support? It's about the 1vs1 battle tank vs tank!

T-64BV
Tower: 480mm
Tub: 350mm

Leopard 2A3
Tower: 550mm
Tub: 550 mm

How can the two tanks have the same armor in the game? Apart from the fact that the T-64BV has 2 more life points!

Wrong.

T-64BV:
Turret: ~500mm for Kinetic
Hull: ~450mm for Kinetic

Leopard 2A3
Turret: ~500mm for KE
Hull: ~300 mm for KE