paratroopers jumping out of planes

[PANTHER171]

Will we ever have airborne raids or parachuted troops in Warno? I would like to see this, it would be very pleasant and great to see it in Warno

[Mighty-Python-20]

Originally posted by Fear Denies Faith:

Originally posted by slice:

Cant believe they had paratroopers in RUSE (15 years ago) but they cant add it in warno :/

Out of curiosity, when was the last SUCCESSFUL battlefield paradrop?

In Very Broken Arrow

[Aegmar]

Originally posted by Fear Denies Faith:

Originally posted by slice:

Cant believe they had paratroopers in RUSE (15 years ago) but they cant add it in warno :/

Out of curiosity, when was the last SUCCESSFUL battlefield paradrop?

That would be the Indian one in 1971 i think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangail_Airdrop

interesting read btw.

Not sure if it is to be considered a "battlefield paradrop"..., they controlled the airspace and didn't land directly in a combat zone.

Dropping parachutists directly on top of enemies or very close to active fighting happend in Dien Bien Phu (French Indochina War) and a few occasions in WW2, but it was always a desaster. The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_%C3%89ben-%C3%89mael being the big exception.

[Urk_da_WAAAGH!]

Originally posted by Fear Denies Faith:

Originally posted by slice:

Cant believe they had paratroopers in RUSE (15 years ago) but they cant add it in warno :/

Out of curiosity, when was the last SUCCESSFUL battlefield paradrop?

Okay, I will be devil's advocate here

Define successful, while holding great losses Overlord, Market Garden and Operation Mercury were all successful for example.

They weren't perfect and contributed in great part to military doctrines abandonment of paratroopers on big operations after the war in favour of air cavalry.

BUT nations who used Air Cavalry in large proportions also faced serious losses, from Vietnam to Ukraine we have similar situations to WW2 paratrooper operations, successful but at great costs.

[Mighty-Python-20]

'(1989) Cold war gone Hot' Lets all compare the games setting to Star Wars.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Urk_da_WAAAGH!:

Market Garden and Operation Mercury were all successful for example.

Market Garden failed to achieve its primary objectives and viciously mauled the 1st Airborne Division. Although Montgomery tried to claim that Market Garden was "90% a success", Prince Bernhardt famously said, "My country can never afford the luxury of another Montgomery 'success'."

[Rabidnid]

Originally posted by Fear Denies Faith:

Originally posted by slice:

Cant believe they had paratroopers in RUSE (15 years ago) but they cant add it in warno :/

Out of curiosity, when was the last SUCCESSFUL battlefield paradrop?

Never.

Opposed drops were in WWII and were either incredibly bloody wins (Crete) or losses.

[Aegmar]

Originally posted by Rabidnid:

Originally posted by Fear Denies Faith:

Out of curiosity, when was the last SUCCESSFUL battlefield paradrop?

Never.

Opposed drops were in WWII and were either incredibly bloody wins (Crete) or losses.

With one exception: Battle of Fort Ében-Émael

But i guess it can't really count, because the german paratroopers didn't parachute onto the fortress but landed with gliders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_%C3%89ben-%C3%89mael

[slice]

Originally posted by Fear Denies Faith:

Originally posted by slice:

Cant believe they had paratroopers in RUSE (15 years ago) but they cant add it in warno :/

Out of curiosity, when was the last SUCCESSFUL battlefield paradrop?

A paratrooper is a military parachutist—someone trained to parachute into a military operation. Armies of the world are not only dropping people from the sky to this day, but also combat vehicles.

Its really funny how people here trying to pretend that nowadays nobody uses airborne forces dropping right from the plane just to defend developer of the game.

Also you don't need to drop paratroopers right on the enemy's heads, this is used for deployment of units fast and close to battlefield(or hard to reach places of military operation), but out of range of AA obviously. Maps in WARNO are big enough to allow it.

[Aegmar]

Originally posted by slice:

Originally posted by Fear Denies Faith:

Out of curiosity, when was the last SUCCESSFUL battlefield paradrop?

A paratrooper is a military parachutist—someone trained to parachute into a military operation. Armies of the world are not only dropping people from the sky to this day, but also combat vehicles. Its really funny how people here trying to pretend that nowadays nobody uses airborne forces dropping right from the plane just to defend developer of the game. Also you don't need to drop paratroopers right on the enemy's heads, this is used for deployment of units fast and close to battlefield(or hard to reach places of military operation), but out of range of AA obviously. Maps in WARNO are big enough to allow it.

And there are Paratroopers in WARNO, this thread was about "paratroopers jumping out of planes" which simply does not happen anymore for a long time now.

Paratroopers still train it, but because there are simpler, safer and more reliable ways to insert troops by air (Helicopters) parachute assaults are simply a thing of the past, simple fact.

[slice]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

Originally posted by slice:

A paratrooper is a military parachutist—someone trained to parachute into a military operation. Armies of the world are not only dropping people from the sky to this day, but also combat vehicles. Its really funny how people here trying to pretend that nowadays nobody uses airborne forces dropping right from the plane just to defend developer of the game. Also you don't need to drop paratroopers right on the enemy's heads, this is used for deployment of units fast and close to battlefield(or hard to reach places of military operation), but out of range of AA obviously. Maps in WARNO are big enough to allow it.

And there are Paratroopers in WARNO, this thread was about "paratroopers jumping out of planes" which simply does not happen anymore for a long time now.

Paratroopers still train it, but because there are simpler, safer and more reliable ways to insert troops by air (Helicopters) parachute assaults are simply a thing of the past, simple fact.

Deployment of paratroopers from the sky was still in use in Afghanistan (Operation Rhino in 2001) and Iraq (Operation Northern Delay in 2003). In both operations the landing was carried out from aircraft.

WARNO is in 1989. If "a Cold War turns decisively hot" in 1989 you can be pretty sure paratroopers deploying from the sky would be a big part of that, both from airplanes and helicopters.

[Mighty-Python-20]

Its not going to be added to Warno don't waste your time here stating facts. This has been requested many times since Warno's early access hit Steam.

[slice]

Originally posted by Mighty-Python-20:

Its not going to be added to Warno don't waste your time here stating facts. This has been requested many times since Warno's early access hit Steam.

Sure mate, I was just trying to make it clear that its not gonna be added ONLY because devs don't want to.

Not because "nobody uses deploying with parachutes since WW2" or some other nonsense bs

[Ahriman]

Originally posted by slice:

Deployment of paratroopers from the sky was still in use in Afghanistan (Operation Rhino in 2001) and Iraq (Operation Northern Delay in 2003). In both operations the landing was carried out from aircraft.

WARNO is in 1989. If "a Cold War turns decisively hot" in 1989 you can be pretty sure paratroopers deploying from the sky would be a big part of that, both from airplanes and helicopters.

Well, yes, they would be the exact same way they are used IRL, prior to the start of a battle when using a plane to infiltrate the area to secure critical locations, then once the battle begins, the rest come in choppers or using ground vehicles, because only an absolute madman would fly a cargo plane into contested airspace where it will have a life expectancy of 2.5 seconds.

I genuinely cannot comprehend why anyone would want to have a plane in the game that is utterly redundant due to how the game works. It will get detected the moment it renders in, and a single jet would be enough to instantly take it out, killing everyone onboard. It would not be able to 'infiltrate' since it has a radar signature of a skyscraper, thus it has practically negative stealth, so it can't be sneaked in without being seen. You want to sneak your para units in? Use helicopters that can fly low and under the said radar.

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Originally posted by slice:

Originally posted by Mighty-Python-20:

Its not going to be added to Warno don't waste your time here stating facts. This has been requested many times since Warno's early access hit Steam.

Sure mate, I was just trying to make it clear that its not gonna be added ONLY because devs don't want to.

Not because "nobody uses deploying with parachutes since WW2" or some other nonsense bs

That's already simulated by units with the Paratrooper trait (the blue parachute in the unit card) having 3 klicks or so of forward deployment. This represents them setting up by paradrop BEFORE the battle, rather than during it.

[slice]

Originally posted by Fear Denies Faith:

Originally posted by slice:

Sure mate, I was just trying to make it clear that its not gonna be added ONLY because devs don't want to.

Not because "nobody uses deploying with parachutes since WW2" or some other nonsense bs

That's already simulated by units with the Paratrooper trait (the blue parachute in the unit card) having 3 klicks or so of forward deployment. This represents them setting up by paradrop BEFORE the battle, rather than during it.

By the way forward deployment is the most broken mechanic in the game. Makes no sense "simulating" air deployment (instead of just adding it to the game) and makes airborne divisions way too strong.

Simply check last WARYES tournament. People are just banning airborne divisions every game.