N.G M2 Bradley vs BMP-2: price and stats

[Glonky]

Could someone explain the rationale behind the unit pricing? Both cost 55pts.

N.G M2 Bradley

+1 side and rear armour
comes with a cheaper inf (25pts fire team)

Better autocanon

15% more accurate static
66% more accurate on the move
+1 pen

Better ATGM

20% more accurate
salvo of 2 shots
2 more missiles
81% more suppression damage with almost 2x radius (couple near misses could fully suppress a tank)

BMP-2

+1 front armour
can swim

Bradley has a reservist trait which is hard to evaluate, but I feel it is situational and not as critical at long range.

[Archi Re-Mede]

It's National Guard Bradley, it's make to be cheap. It's not the "original" Bradley which is in other US Division.
Plus, the Reservist trait, even if it's not a huge penalty, makes the Bradley much less enduring during a prolonged fight.
Ps : Excuse my poor English

[Glonky]

I understand that it's worse than a regular Bradley and it's cheaper because of that. But this unit seems a lot better than the similarly priced unit from the other side. I guess, it could be that it gets a discount for its uniqueness and as a selling point to play 24th.

[GAINSB]

Yeah the TOW2 itself is so cracked, with a couple bradleys you can ambush and destroy a column of T80UD easy, one shotting them on the side and stunning them bad in the front, try doing the same with 4 poor konkurs lol, not asking for konkurs to be cracked, only it should be much cheaper compared to the best atgm in game

[PzJaheger]

Originally posted by GAINSB:

Yeah the TOW2 itself is so cracked, with a couple bradleys you can ambush and destroy a column of T80UD easy, one shotting them on the side and stunning them bad in the front, try doing the same with 4 poor konkurs lol, not asking for konkurs to be cracked, only it should be much cheaper compared to the best atgm in game

that is true, but in exchange you only get x3 TOW2s per card while PACT gets 6, you can use them en masse in a way that just isn't possible with TOWs
granted I-TOW is pretty good compared to Konkurs

[Glonky]

Originally posted by vsatyk:

the NG bradley only comes with 16 pen atgm vs 20 pen for konkurs.

It comes with I-TOW, which has the stats I've written in the post. I did the comparison in the armory in game.

[Vindicare]

In direct comparison to the BMP 2 the low price for the Bradley N.G. isn't justified. Nevertheless, I don't think it's a big problem, because the main frame of reference for balancing should be the comparison between divisions and not 1 to 1 comparisons of specific unit types, which may sometimes be counterintuitive. Beside their very strong IFVs the 24th isn't shining in the rest of their infantry department, they also can be pricey, if you want to use all of their high-tech toys like the two F-15 variants.

[Glonky]

This is a good approach, thinking in context. That's why I didn't call this an imbalance, but simply wanted to know the reasoning. I guess, it's better not to try and counter the units with their counterparts, but find other solutions, like a METIS, or a tank.
Strike Eagle though, does feel like a bit like a DELETE button—in one call-out kills any two units, and if you're careful, it's very unlikely to die. It's expensive, yes, but can easily pay for itself on the first mission.

[DarrickS]

Originally posted by Glonky:

Could someone explain the rationale behind the unit pricing? Both cost 55pts.

N.G M2 Bradley

+1 side and rear armour
comes with a cheaper inf (25pts fire team)

Better autocanon

15% more accurate static
66% more accurate on the move
+1 pen

Better ATGM

20% more accurate
salvo of 2 shots
2 more missiles
81% more suppression damage with almost 2x radius (couple near misses could fully suppress a tank)

BMP-2

+1 front armour
can swim

Bradley has a reservist trait which is hard to evaluate, but I feel it is situational and not as critical at long range.

Reservist trait give the following malus :
+50% suppress damage received
+20% aimtime
-5%pt. Static Accuracy
-5%pt. Motion Accuracy
+15% reload time

The -5% acc is "per shot", which mean the AC loose a lot of accuracy (and not just move from 70 => 65%, its a salvo acc in this case)

BMP2 will always shoot first
And as it shoot first, it will stress the NG BRADLEY for a good amount (cause of the increased stress damange taken), making the retaliation even worst with the cohesion malus (what can quickly reach -75% accuracy)

[Glonky]

These debuffs aren't shown on the card and are applied only to calculations during the match, I assume? I.e. if you select your unit and hover an enemy, the tooltip will show the chance to hit lower than what's written on the card?

I was thinking that the accuracy for salvo on the card shows the 60% chance to hit with at least one bullet out of 5 (meaning each bullet has roughly a 25% chance to hit). If so, the -5% penalty applied to this total number doesn't sound like much. Also, the I-TOW still performs better than Konkurs, even with this malus.
Are you certain that the -5% is applied to each shot? Because in this case, the 60% would turn into 40%.

Even if BMP-2 wins a 1v1 in most scenarios due to first shot, in the match, the effectivenes for the price feels much higher for the Bradley (i.e. when it's behind a tank).

The reload time is negligible in the case of this IFV, as it can smoke/retreat after shooting its missile salvo (quite important for the AC, of course).

Good points, nevertheless, makes you treat the Reservist trait more seriously. Maybe even warranting a card of MP and additional micro.

[Ahriman]

It should also be noted that you need to take into consideration the individual divisions as a whole, not in piece meal. The 24th is primarily relying on those NG units, which are point for point worse than their Pact counterparts. They are small squads of weak reservists, compared to the units you can shove into the BMP-2. Their tank tab is not exactly the best with the M1IP Abrams which rocks the worse 17AP gun while the Divisions that get the BMP-2 also rock the various T-80 variants. Their AA tab is also pretty lacking, with no long range Radar AA available, relying primarily on IR-AA and their singular card of F-15Cs to take on enemy planes.

There are a lot of factors to consider, comparing one unit to another is not exactly wise in WARNO thanks to the Division system.