LAV needs to be nerf

[Истина]

It's Stealth is just way too good, when some of smaller vehicles doesn't have even normal stealth. And 77 percent accuracy (way too much) and 4 armor penetration can kill many unarmored vehicles almost instantly. That's too much for 70 points.

[Rabidnid]

it is the same size as the Luches so medium stealth would work, rest is just LAV. maybe a price nerf to 75.

[: The PoleCat :]

My buddy rage quit last night after getting hit with an LAV swarm.

[shivan]

Originally posted by Молодая гвардия:

It's Stealth is just way too good, when some of smaller vehicles doesn't have even normal stealth. And 77 percent accuracy (way too much) and 4 armor penetration can kill many unarmored vehicles almost instantly. That's too much for 70 points.

Nato has been nerved to the ground last patch, and you want them Nerved even more?

[AlextheTower]

Originally posted by shivan:

Originally posted by Молодая гвардия:

It's Stealth is just way too good, when some of smaller vehicles doesn't have even normal stealth. And 77 percent accuracy (way too much) and 4 armor penetration can kill many unarmored vehicles almost instantly. That's too much for 70 points.

Nato has been nerved to the ground last patch, and you want them Nerved even more?

Its division vs division - 82nd is stronger than it was last patch so what does a nerf to another Nato div have to do with the balancing 82nd?

[Истина]

Originally posted by shivan:

Originally posted by Молодая гвардия:

It's Stealth is just way too good, when some of smaller vehicles doesn't have even normal stealth. And 77 percent accuracy (way too much) and 4 armor penetration can kill many unarmored vehicles almost instantly. That's too much for 70 points.

Nato has been nerved to the ground last patch, and you want them Nerved even more?

Well, it's not I want to specifically go against NATO but LAV is just somehow unbalanced, and DEV hasn't mentioned anything about LAV so I'm afraid they may ignored it.

[JohnC121B]

The LAV is just fine (actually not enough in terms of numbers), just compare the number LAV to the number of BMDs that you can get in 35th VDV. 82nd gets 8 LAV, thats like one card of
Motostrelki with BMP-2 and these can easily defeat LAV´s. A Luchs or Fox can kill unarmored transports just as easily. And the LAV is way worse than the AMX-10RC, even with good stealth.
If you have problems with the LAV you don´t employ your units right. They don´t come with airborne forward deployment, just regular recon forward deployment.

The LAV should come as transport option for all airborne scouts, so you could get 12-18 in a battlegroup. The 82nd Airborne runs out ouf firesupport after 20 minutes.

[GAINSB]

Originally posted by JohnC121B:

The LAV is just fine (actually not enough in terms of numbers), just compare the number LAV to the number of BMDs that you can get in 35th VDV. 82nd gets 8 LAV, thats like one card of
Motostrelki with BMP-2 and these can easily defeat LAV´s. A Luchs or Fox can kill unarmored transports just as easily. And the LAV is way worse than the AMX-10RC, even with good stealth.
If you have problems with the LAV you don´t employ your units right. They don´t come with airborne forward deployment, just regular recon forward deployment.

The LAV should come as transport option for all airborne scouts, so you could get 12-18 in a battlegroup. The 82nd Airborne runs out ouf firesupport after 20 minutes.

"LAV is way worse than AMX10RC" I would hope so lol, the amx is almost twice the price.
And BMD2s have lower stealth, lower accuracy, lower optics and lower penetration (33% more than BMD2 pen values) so, just by looking at the number, your arguments doesn't hold one sec

[JohnC121B]

Originally posted by GAINSB:

Originally posted by JohnC121B:

The LAV is just fine (actually not enough in terms of numbers), just compare the number LAV to the number of BMDs that you can get in 35th VDV. 82nd gets 8 LAV, thats like one card of
Motostrelki with BMP-2 and these can easily defeat LAV´s. A Luchs or Fox can kill unarmored transports just as easily. And the LAV is way worse than the AMX-10RC, even with good stealth.
If you have problems with the LAV you don´t employ your units right. They don´t come with airborne forward deployment, just regular recon forward deployment.

The LAV should come as transport option for all airborne scouts, so you could get 12-18 in a battlegroup. The 82nd Airborne runs out ouf firesupport after 20 minutes.

"LAV is way worse than AMX10RC" I would hope so lol, the amx is almost twice the price.
And BMD2s have lower stealth, lower accuracy, lower optics and lower penetration (33% more than BMD2 pen values) so, just by looking at the number, your arguments doesn't hold one sec

Yes they have, but the are also way cheaper. And have Konkurs Missiles, and bring infantry. This makes my argument even stronger. The LAV is a recon vehicle, that has a high value and you get not many of them. They are good and fun to use, but not op at all. If you use the BMD-2/BMP-2 right they will easily defeat the LAV, especially with infantry. Not in a one on one, of course, but in a 2 vs 1 easy all day.

(The LAV in real live just peppers every unarmored vehicle, just like in game. Its very well implemented. In reality, it can also defeat tanks, which it can´t in game. It has the same canon as in the Bradley, that destroyed T-90s in Ukraine recently. Almost all tanks in game have way to much side armor, by the way.)

You get 16 BMD-2s per VDV Battlegroup, and normal Desantniki (45 Points) oneshot the LAV with the RPG. IF you have problems with 8 LAV, you might as well say, every Bradley is OP. Metis Squads onehot the LAV too.

For every other Battlegroup with tanks: If the LAV is a problem, then i don´t know why. Every tank in game just mops up the LAV.

And the AMX-10RC can defeat tanks, the LAV can´t. The AMX-10RC is way better. The AMX-10RC Surblinde can easily defeat T-80BV (I killed T-80UDs with it) good luck trying that with the LAV. It can´t.

I don´t see your point, the LAV is just fine.

[GAINSB]

Originally posted by JohnC121B:

Originally posted by GAINSB:

"LAV is way worse than AMX10RC" I would hope so lol, the amx is almost twice the price.
And BMD2s have lower stealth, lower accuracy, lower optics and lower penetration (33% more than BMD2 pen values) so, just by looking at the number, your arguments doesn't hold one sec

Yes they have, but the are also way cheaper. And have Konkurs Missiles, and bring infantry. This makes my argument even stronger. The LAV is a recon vehicle, that has a high value and you get not many of them. They are good and fun to use, but not op at all. If you use the BMD-2/BMP-2 right they will easily defeat the LAV, especially with infantry. Not in a one on one, of course, but in a 2 vs 1 easy all day.

(The LAV in real live just peppers every unarmored vehicle, just like in game. Its very well implemented. In reality, it can also defeat tanks, which it can´t in game. It has the same canon as in the Bradley, that destroyed T-90s in Ukraine recently. Almost all tanks in game have way to much side armor, by the way.)

You get 16 BMD-2s per VDV Battlegroup, and normal Desantniki (45 Points) oneshot the LAV with the RPG. IF you have problems with 8 LAV, you might as well say, every Bradley is OP. Metis Squads onehot the LAV too.

For every other Battlegroup with tanks: If the LAV is a problem, then i don´t know why. Every tank in game just mops up the LAV.

And the AMX-10RC can defeat tanks, the LAV can´t. The AMX-10RC is way better. The AMX-10RC Surblinde can easily defeat T-80BV (I killed T-80UDs with it) good luck trying that with the LAV. It can´t.

I don´t see your point, the LAV is just fine.

Alright so first you point that BMD2 is cheaper and can kill a LAV with its inf, but inf+BMD ends up being 150% the price of the LAV.
Then the konkurs deals what, 2dmg to a heavy with around 1/2 of its shots being hits, meaning that it can't destroy anything else than light vehicles (not enough ammo) which, surprise surprise, the LAV does better with its cannon.

No other reco unit that cheap can deal that much dmg, an airborne div should not shine that much with its armor, which is the reason why the french airborne are losing most of their ERC90 and that the VDV lost all of its tanks

And the T90 wasnt destroyed by a bradley but by a drone, look at the whole footage, not the highly edited version.
The armor of the tank stopped 25mm easily, however it pushed the crew to panic, messed the turret caused the tank to retreat (with its crew uninjured). So sorry but you cannot pop a modern tank that easily with 25mm.

[JohnC121B]

I´m sorry, but your argument is just getting worse. Did you even read what I wrote?
The Konkurs of the BMD-2/BMP-2 also oneshot the LAV. And both have static accuracy of 60% on the gun. Equal to the LAV.
Its normal that you need 2-3 units to defeat one in this game, if not this game wouldn´t work. If one BMD-2 and the infantry squad cost 30 Points more and kill the LAV, where is the problem? A 60 Point Gazelle HOT 2 can kill a 340 Point T-80UD too. I dont see your point.

Are you seriously calling the LAV armored? It has like 3 front armor. And yes, the Fox Fv 721 as well as the Luchs, and Scimitar can all deal this amount of damage, just like the LAV.
The Razvedka BMP cost 65 Points and can do the same damage as the LAV

The T-90 example was even that an example. The crew paniced, because of a Bradley, that destroyed the turret drive and it was a mission kill. In game that would be a "bailed out crit". The vehicle was destroyed. Are you soviet spy, comrade? Seems a bit like troll content here. ;D

[Amormaliar]

Originally posted by vsatyk:

I can see the stealth being downgraded to mediocre eventually. Remember when 35y had those wheeled spgs with good stealth and was running the show for a while? Its basically a repeat again but with 82nd. I'd say any vehicle that comes with a smoke launcher should never get good stealth.

All vehicles of the same class should have the same stealth. And LAV has more than it should.

[GAINSB]

Originally posted by JohnC121B:

I´m sorry, but your argument is just getting worse. Did you even read what I wrote?
The Konkurs of the BMD-2/BMP-2 also oneshot the LAV. And both have static accuracy of 60% on the gun. Equal to the LAV.
Its normal that you need 2-3 units to defeat one in this game, if not this game wouldn´t work. If one BMD-2 and the infantry squad cost 30 Points more and kill the LAV, where is the problem? A 60 Point Gazelle HOT 2 can kill a 340 Point T-80UD too. I dont see your point.

Are you seriously calling the LAV armored? It has like 3 front armor. And yes, the Fox Fv 721 as well as the Luchs, and Scimitar can all deal this amount of damage, just like the LAV.
The Razvedka BMP cost 65 Points and can do the same damage as the LAV

The T-90 example was even that an example. The crew paniced, because of a Bradley, that destroyed the turret drive and it was a mission kill. In game that would be a "bailed out crit". The vehicle was destroyed. Are you soviet spy, comrade? Seems a bit like troll content here. ;D

LAV has higher precision, higher pen, higher optics, more stealth, how can you even compare those without trolling lol? Our point is that 8 such units for a low price creates too big of an insentive to spam them, just like it was the case for MI8 helos in early development, every game was helispam, they got price nerfed pretty bad and you rarely see those spams anymore, same needs to happen with the LAV.

And yes, the LAV is by definition armor, "an armed combat vehicle protected by armour, generally combining operational mobility with offensive and defensive capabilities" this is the definition mate.

And if you think a Razvedka BMP ( bmp1 I suppose?) works well, you probably never played with it, it sucks so hard for its price that you literally never see it in game.

In game a heavily damaged tank that routes is simply "routed" and a stuck turret is only stuck for a minute or so, the damage system is pretty arcadish, so nope, I don't think that the T90 would be bailed in game as it only did after getting stuck on a tree or smt, and accidents are not represented in warno.

And i might be KGB lol, who knows

[The Kaiser is Dmitry]

Originally posted by shivan:

Originally posted by Молодая гвардия:

It's Stealth is just way too good, when some of smaller vehicles doesn't have even normal stealth. And 77 percent accuracy (way too much) and 4 armor penetration can kill many unarmored vehicles almost instantly. That's too much for 70 points.

Nato has been nerved to the ground last patch, and you want them Nerved even more?

Don't worry you can still Q move and win with 3AD and the rest of the American Abrams divisions.

[Urk_da_WAAAGH!]

Originally posted by The Kaiser is 621:

Originally posted by shivan:

Nato has been nerved to the ground last patch, and you want them Nerved even more?

Don't worry you can still Q move and win with 3AD and the rest of the American Abrams divisions.

As someone who often complained about 3rd Armored it can't do that anymore, it finally isn't a jack of all trades like it used to be.

24th is still very strong and the 8th isn't far behind, but in general they feel a lot more balanced to their 79, 39 and 27th counterparts.

[Amormaliar]

Originally posted by shivan:

Nato has been nerved to the ground last patch, and you want them Nerved even more?

Tbf, most of meta divs - still NATO ones