T-80s are poorly balanced

[HardStrike]

I dont think my tank is supposed to be surviving 7 rounds of infantry AT and multiple ATGMs with half health and still manage to kill the majority of them...

The increased HP and ERA defense is way too overpowered right now and i started feeling disgusted using those units because it results in easy wins/breakthrough as you can get the enemy TOW emplacement to literally run out of ammo without killing your tank, which i think is a bit excessive.

Thats also without the guided rounds with a 2.8 km range...

[mndbsd]

I like your choice of exposition, telling the story from your point of view as if you rekt your opponent and not the other way around.
You almost got me...

Now onto more serious stuff;
1. Nato also has 12hp tanks.
2. Nato atgms are more likely to kill Pact tanks with their ammo count. MORE pen and MOAR accuracy.
3. 2.8km range atgm can't target TOW emplacements.
4. The Bastion atgm has 2.8km range but only 19pen, it can't kill and abrams, only make it back off.
5. The other atgm with 2.8km range is only present on 2 tanks in 1 div, the div with the WORST air AA tab in the game, with the WORST inf tab in the game. The tanks also cost a fortune, more than an atgm plane used to kill them, and come in low numbers.
6. ...
7. git gud.

Have you tried fighting HA, 2A4, Chally2 with KONKURS? good luck with that.

This is like a millionaire crying that he can only afford the normal Buggati and not the golden one and that life's not fair.

[HardStrike]

Originally posted by mndbsd:

I like your choice of exposition, telling the story from your point of view as if you rekt your opponent and not the other way around.
You almost got me...

Now onto more serious stuff;
1. Nato also has 12hp tanks.
2. Nato atgms are more likely to kill Pact tanks with their ammo count. MORE pen and MOAR accuracy.
3. 2.8km range atgm can't target TOW emplacements.
4. The Bastion atgm has 2.8km range but only 19pen, it can't kill and abrams, only make it back off.
5. The other atgm with 2.8km range is only present on 2 tanks in 1 div, the div with the WORST air AA tab in the game, with the WORST inf tab in the game. The tanks also cost a fortune, more than an atgm plane used to kill them, and come in low numbers.
6. ...
7. git gud.

Have you tried fighting HA, 2A4, Chally2 with KONKURS? good luck with that.

This is like a millionaire crying that he can only afford the normal Buggati and not the golden one and that life's not fair.

My guy nearly every tank past the T55AM2B (Excluding the command tank) has 2.6 km guided rounds which also kills ATGM vehicles faster, in their own range, because of the projectile speed being pretty quick.

Ive been on both sides of it and the T80-VB-U-UD are absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ broken period, the only thing that can take one down reliably is M1 Abrams and the M1A1, which even then you only need to check the range and make sure they are spotted first, and fire your guided rounds right up their ass.

Ive used so little of them to break lines, ive also seen 4 AH64As struggle to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kill a single one as we were laughing, TOW or any single or pair ATGM emplacements are inefficient because they dont do ♥♥♥♥ with ERA, you can just rush them and use HE rounds.

"4. The Bastion atgm has 2.8km range but only 19pen, it can't kill and abrams, only make it back off." That is some incredible ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ considering i just finished a game as an american deck and that 19 pen Kobra absolutely destroyed one of two tanks from the front. because the M1A1 has a 17 frontal armor, 19 will go through.

Red can easily push back NATO with waves of them by taking tanks out outside their range, shooting ATGM vehicles faster because of the round's speed, and rushing ATGM emplacements because you can literally ignore the insignificant damage it does to you.

The other big issue is infantry AT doing basically nothing to it, we had a funny moment where 3 german squads ambushed one in a forest and guess what happen, thats right, it killed and routed all 3 squads with at least 1/3 of its health remaining. There is literally no other tank in the game capable of doing this.

While yes the red side has some significant disadvantage i dont think making the T80 such a dangerous machine, much more dangerous than the M1A1 is the answer.

I play a lot of 10v10s where the issue becomes a hell of a lot more apparent, the amount of damage the T80 can take is way too excessive.

Theres a few things id complain about the BLU side too but this is about the T80.

Im sorry youre not used to people complaining about their own decks or tools, i really dont like cheesing anything in any game, you also have to play both sides to understand the problem. Tank rounds are the only thing that deals an acceptable amount of damage, once you get good tanks in their gun range it becomes easier because ATGMs only chips its health slowly, and tank multiple of them, but that leads us right back to their guided round problem, where they can snipe your tanks and ATGM vehicles away. Even the HA abrams dont survive as long in a push which is think is pretty funny.

[mndbsd]

How about you TikTok brains stop engaging at 3km a tank that is designed to fight at those distances.
Wow, it's almost like this is a strategy game and requires using strategy.

Also stop lying, atm NO tank can rush head first into a garrisoned TOW-2. Keep the hyperboles to a minimum.

The title is T-80s stronk, yet u cry about T-80UD, why not name the thread accordingly?
Is T-80B or BVM too stronk also? u getting rekt by 40%acc again?

The era trait does not reduce dmg, it only adds 2hp, for a total of 12. AT weapons deal the same amount of dmg to all tanks. Only armor reduces dmg, and ERA tanks have less armor than non era tanks.

NATO also has era tanks, u cry about them?
NO?
Why?
Maybe because they don't have their price inflated by having a stinky 40% atgm?
Or maybe that because they have the same pen as a 125mm gun while only having a 100mm gun? Because miracle ammo that didn't exist irl
Or maybe because they have more armor than they should?

Idk, really strange....

There's so many "t-80 too stronk" threads out there idk what to make of it.
They are really not.

T-80UD is meant by the devs to be the best tank in game. And it's in the WORST deck in the game.
If you have issues defeating 119th tank division i have bad news for you.

If you think you have it rough go fight NATO heavy tanks with KONKURS, F****T and 16pen Falanga HINDS. Maybe then you'll learn to appreciate TOW's, Milans and Hellfires.

And be honest, you are not impartial here, you clearly got rekt in 10v10 on Rift or Twin Cities.

EDIT: i wrote my post before you edited yours, it's good practice to write "edit" if you're going to add things after posting. And yes, it appears i was right, you got rekt in 10v10.

Also;
1. I don't think the game should be balanced around 10v10.
2. Next time write in your OP that your talking about 10v10, don't make ppl waste brain cells on nonsense.
3. Stop playing Rift, it clearly favors heavy tank decks.

[Misvor]

I felt the same playing as 3rd armored. Limitless Apache with 30mm gun to wreck havok, HA's that recieve 1 dmg from any PACT atgm, TOW-2 devastating every piece of armor with devilish precision, MLRS with 2 per card and dirt cheap to reload, more than decent supply tab, Non-seadable AA tab and etc

[mndbsd]

Originally posted by HardStrike:

Yeah i did get rekt in 10v10, ive also had victories in 10v10

I knew it from the first sentence.

Why do you deceive people?
YOU played Pact, YOU reckt others, YOU are sickened by how OP the T-80UD is. You're a liar.
Ofc you won some, it comes with the game, but c'mon, stop insulting our intelligence.

Go headbutt T-80UD's at 3km on Rift, it woks well from what i've heard.

[HardStrike]

Originally posted by Misvor:

I felt the same playing as 3rd armored. Limitless Apache with 30mm gun to wreck havok, HA's that recieve 1 dmg from any PACT atgm, TOW-2 devastating every piece of armor with devilish precision, MLRS with 2 per card and dirt cheap to reload, more than decent supply tab, Non-seadable AA tab and etc

In my case when i play against blu the only thing that pisses me off to no end are AT A-10s which can take out sooo many things in one pass and French mistrals, Ive see some crazy ♥♥♥♥ with apaches, hellfires are super quick and for some reason the 64 can tank like theres no tomorrow, that aside it could be because a lot of blue players are newer, low level the majority of the time but i never felt like i had a significant disadvantage in engagements when playing red.

Yeah they get MLRS, red get them too, and they get incendiary artillery, blue can spam 64s, red can spam way more 24s or even do the rocket Mi8 meta, aside from tanks and sometimes air on either side my engagements have been pretty fair while fighting both, you just need to react accordingly. Not a lot of blue players know how to deal with T80s either, they just sit ATGMs in a tree line and hope to take them out, you can just get a recon, spot them, charge with a few T80Us and take out whatever is in that tree line. That works for every tank but none of the nato tanks are capable of surviving so many ATGM hits like they do which i think is the main problem.

[Misvor]

There's one thing in PACT armory that is pure fun: towed guns. At close range they obliterate armor with ease. I've seen d-44 one-shot HA Abrams in the face at point blank in woods, while taking 4-5 hits to be destroyed (almost invincible), hell I send them to fight infantry in forests, as 14 shots/minute allows for stun-locking 1v1 any inf squad. They are also not susceptible to TOWs which means blu doesn't know how to deal with it. Guess they will be nerfed, but I enjoy them while they last

[thugnightly]

I remember, not that long ago, when there was a 80+ discussion thread about:

1. "soviet tanks are useless",

2. "soviet ATGMS suck and have bad accuracy"

3. "soviet tanks die in the open to easily"

4. "Nato is OP, everything Nato has is better"

5. "Devs please do something or the game is going to die"

So, the devs actually listened to you and now soviet tanks are formidable but now they are "toooooo" strong.

The reality is, OP, and everyone that agrees with this nonsense, the game cannot be changed because you are losing. MAYBE, instead of coming here to complain, you can spend time learning how to play the game and MAYBE. just maybe, you wont be losing as much of your stuff.

Also, stop playing 10v10 if you want a balanced experience. CLEARLY, having 10 players on a 3v3 map is going to encourage tank and helo spam.

If youre still losing to 119th (the worst division in the game by far) in 3v3 games then it is a skill issue and you just havent learned how to play yet.

[soldier6661111]

You mad

Originally posted by mndbsd:

Originally posted by HardStrike:

Yeah i did get rekt in 10v10, ive also had victories in 10v10

I knew it from the first sentence.

Why do you deceive people?
YOU played Pact, YOU reckt others, YOU are sickened by how OP the T-80UD is. You're a liar.
Ofc you won some, it comes with the game, but c'mon, stop insulting our intelligence.

Go headbutt T-80UD's at 3km on Rift, it woks well from what i've heard.

[mndbsd]

Originally posted by thugnightly:

If youre still losing to 119th (the worst division in the game by far) in 3v3 games then it is a skill issue and you just havent learned how to play yet.

This reminds me of that other angry german kid IKING or whatever his name is, atfer reking him a couple of times on Rift and Twin cities he came to the forums to cry about T-80 OP.

After i showed him screenshots of how he charged vet 1 leo2 into my vet 3 UD he stopped posting.
Did he vet up his Leos? NOPE. I still see him charging 2a4 across open fields with no support, getting rekt and rage quiting the game.

And they also insult you, call you names and stuff when they run out of arguments.

It's like a pattern with these 10v10 heroes.

They got the Mig-31 nerfed, too oppressive in 10v10 they said

They got fobs added, NATO doesn't have enough supply to spam MLRS AND repair tanks as well they said (i remember this one clearly)

79th OP cuz gOoD tanks and decent inf and AA tab, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER NATO TANK DIV MIND YOU.
Nope, can't have that, better split 79 into two, one with bad tanks and decent inf and aa, the other one with good tanks but ZERO AA AND INF.
When will 3rd US get split into two? NEVER i hear you say? Oh ok....NATO suffers i guess.

EDIT:
@Eugen, can you pls nerf the T-80BVM, by removing its atgm and reducing the cost by 40 points?
NO? that would make it even stronger?

It's like we live in the Upside down, where the more you nerf something the better it gets...OR maybe, bear with me, IT AINT OP. Crazy idee i know, using the brain in the TikTok NPC era is a bit of a radical concept...pls no ban me

[Amormaliar]

Originally posted by HardStrike:

Yeah they get MLRS, red get them too, and they get incendiary artillery, blue can spam 64s, red can spam way more 24s or even do the rocket Mi8 meta, aside from tanks and sometimes air on either side my engagements have been pretty fair while fighting both, you just need to react accordingly. Not a lot of blue players know how to deal with T80s either, they just sit ATGMs in a tree line and hope to take them out, you can just get a recon, spot them, charge with a few T80Us and take out whatever is in that tree line. That works for every tank but none of the nato tanks are capable of surviving so many ATGM hits like they do which i think is the main problem.

NATO have much more Apaches than Soviets - Mi-24. You have the same 1 per card but US has a lot of them, and from Soviets only some East German decks have 2 per card but very weak ones.
The most helis on the lvl of Apaches (armour + 20% ecm) that you can take - in 35th. 5 in total. It’s much less than any USA deck. And USA decks usually have more slots for them in heli tab.

If anything, we have too much Apaches in the game, not Mi-24.

The only useful RKT Mi-8 (with ECM) - only in 35th, nowhere else. All others - huge price for 8hp heli without armour, ecm and with weak loadout. I don’t understand what’s the meta here.

[mndbsd]

Originally posted by Amormaliar:

The only useful RKT Mi-8 (with ECM) - only in 35th, nowhere else. All others - huge price for 8hp heli without armour, ecm and with weak loadout. I don’t understand what’s the meta here.

There is no such meta, never was, it's all in their head...they act like those zombie tiktok npcs

GANG GANG
T-80 OP OP
NERF NERF
YUUM YUUM
MIG-31 VROOOM VROOM
NERF NERF
BUK BUK
DELICIOUS
ATGM ZOOM ZOOM
T-80 BOOM BOOM
GANG GANG
SKRRRT
.....

[Swato85]

Originally posted by mndbsd:

I like your choice of exposition, telling the story from your point of view as if you rekt your opponent and not the other way around.
You almost got me...

Now onto more serious stuff;
1. Nato also has 12hp tanks.
2. Nato atgms are more likely to kill Pact tanks with their ammo count. MORE pen and MOAR accuracy.
3. 2.8km range atgm can't target TOW emplacements.
4. The Bastion atgm has 2.8km range but only 19pen, it can't kill and abrams, only make it back off.
5. The other atgm with 2.8km range is only present on 2 tanks in 1 div, the div with the WORST air AA tab in the game, with the WORST inf tab in the game. The tanks also cost a fortune, more than an atgm plane used to kill them, and come in low numbers.
6. ...
7. git gud.

Have you tried fighting HA, 2A4, Chally2 with KONKURS? good luck with that.

This is like a millionaire crying that he can only afford the normal Buggati and not the golden one and that life's not fair.

Well he was obvious from the start, nice frag, man. What will be next: People will come and complain that Nato/west has too much ammo and actualy useable units, which is not in accordance to reality? Lol. Love these debates.