Amx 30 overperforming

[Akeris]

How does a 80mm armored tank with a 105mm gun have 13 armor and 19 AP?
Protection level is slightly better than a Leopard tank IRL and the gun is basically a L7 copy so the stats don't really add up...

[mndbsd]

Originally posted by !PlanetN00b!.Akeris:

Did you read the post? Didn't sound like a pact nerf to me

You were not talking about the post but about "every update". Every update nerfed Pact.
The post looks promising, but it doesn't show the whole picture.

Fyi Eugen never released the whole patch notes. NEVER. Every single update had something not published in the patch notes.
The last update has more unpublished changes than published ones.

[[EUG] MadMat]

Keep the debate focused on the game.

[ChargingSnail]

Originally posted by BRICK SHlTHOUSE:

Originally posted by ChargingSnail:

Damn, again miss the drama.

Was asking him why he hasn't signed up for Putin yet.

And on topic since MadMat is here, please address the French unit bias?

Ok, was is the story with french bias? Ok, I get it, their tanks are little overperforming, but what else? Heloes - quite weak. Air not best, not worst. Infantry nothing special. Antitank teams with Apilas, yup they're good. But DDR Panzerjeager also. AA -good, even very. French airborn - infantry good, as expected 'cause infantry division. Prices of units maybe are a bias? Not follwoing this topic much, so what is the reason? The wheeled recon FV may have a little too good guns, but is it soo bad?

[mndbsd]

Originally posted by ChargingSnail:

Originally posted by BRICK SHlTHOUSE:

Was asking him why he hasn't signed up for Putin yet.

And on topic since MadMat is here, please address the French unit bias?

Ok, was is the story with french bias? Ok, I get it, their tanks are little overperforming, but what else? Heloes - quite weak. Air not best, not worst. Infantry nothing special. Antitank teams with Apilas, yup they're good. But DDR Panzerjeager also. AA -good, even very. French airborn - infantry good, as expected 'cause infantry division. Prices of units maybe are a bias? Not follwoing this topic much, so what is the reason?

It's not that a SINGLE UNIT is overperforming, it's more that 5Eazy DB had everything.

Good enough tanks in plenty numbers.

Good enough inf in plenty numbers. 850m(now 750m) AT weapons on ALL INF.
Also Apilas > Pz Jagers cuz 750m range vs 500m. Also 1 more pen.
The only 21 pen Pact gets are on Spetsnaz OP and vanilla OP crews, that only have 1 RPG and 4 people.
40 pts Chasseurs with 750m AT range is a bit too strong.

Good enough air tab, with Mirage F1's overperforming like crazy.

BEST manpads in the game in plenty numbers.

BEST recon unit in the game, namely the AMX 10 RC Surblinde.

Good enough logi tab with plenty of supply.

Same amount of arty pieces as any other Pact force.

Helos are not the best, but they still have some.

The only pact div that could rise to these hights was 7th Pz Div, which got heavily nerfed. 25% nerf just for the KUB itself. What other Nato div has ever been nerfed by 25% in one swoop? Especially on a unit that had a mediocre performance?

When you put all of the above together you get an OP div.

Nerfing the KUB and T-55's not only nerfed the strongest Pact div, it also nerfed the weakest divs in the whole game, namely KDA and 4th.

And then you take a look at the other Pact "tank" divs and you start crying.
WTF is 119th supposed to do against 5E or 3rd US? C'mon tell me it's a skill issue and show me how to play.
Or 79th for that matter? It got its AA coverage nerfed by nerfing KUB's by 25%. It's BEST tank has the same PEN as the scout AMX-10. MIG-31's got nerfed a while back.

5Eazy got nefed, AFTER A YEAR, and it's not top dog anymore not because of the nerf, but because the meta changed. From all the TANK divs its still the best, and its good enough overall still, but not best overall anymore.

Oh yeah they BUFFED Tunguska by lowering its cost by 10 points. REJOICE

Eugen PRETENDING to nerf AMX-30 and buff T-72 are nothing more than smoke and mirrors. You are being played like a fool.

The -2 armor on AMX-30 doesn't mean that much in the grand scheme of things. It can have the same armor as AMX-10 RC and it would still be a decent tank. They have the same gun, same offroad speed(which matters the most).
The AMX-30 were already being 2 shot at certain distances, at which most combat takes place, and guess what? the -2 armor nerf will still allow them to survive 1 hit, aka being 2 shot as before.

AMX-30 also has a 20mm cannon that can KILL T-55 and T-62's. In close quarters T-55 and T-62 have NO CHANCE against AMX-30. PERIOD.

And it's not the AMX-30 alone that makes 5Eazy, you could nerf them into the ground, to the level of Leo1A1 and the deck would still be a decent deck, much better than some PACT ones.

The same applies to the T-72 but in reverse, the +2 armor will mean nothing in 80% of real cases. If the T-72 died in 2 hits before, it will die in 2 hits now too. Baring a few rare exceptions.
The issue of T-72 was never its lack of armor. Look at 45% acc. Look at the lack of smoke.
The T-72 was hit harder this latest patch, their number were reduced more than AMX-30 numbers were.

EDIT: I'm talking about 1v1. 10v10 enjoyers need not read. Go back to spamming your 8 MARS/M270.

[[EUG] MadMat]

Thread cleaned of more off-topic, inflammatory & useless comments.
Bans handed. And will keep coming if this trend goes on.

[Potato-Ghost]

Originally posted by mndbsd:

Originally posted by ChargingSnail:

Ok, was is the story with french bias? Ok, I get it, their tanks are little overperforming, but what else? Heloes - quite weak. Air not best, not worst. Infantry nothing special. Antitank teams with Apilas, yup they're good. But DDR Panzerjeager also. AA -good, even very. French airborn - infantry good, as expected 'cause infantry division. Prices of units maybe are a bias? Not follwoing this topic much, so what is the reason?

It's not that a SINGLE UNIT is overperforming, it's more that 5Eazy DB had everything.

Good enough tanks in plenty numbers.

Good enough inf in plenty numbers. 850m(now 750m) AT weapons on ALL INF.
Also Apilas > Pz Jagers cuz 750m range vs 500m. Also 1 more pen.
The only 21 pen Pact gets are on Spetsnaz OP and vanilla OP crews, that only have 1 RPG and 4 people.
40 pts Chasseurs with 750m AT range is a bit too strong.

Good enough air tab, with Mirage F1's overperforming like crazy.

BEST manpads in the game in plenty numbers.

BEST recon unit in the game, namely the AMX 10 RC Surblinde.

Good enough logi tab with plenty of supply.

Same amount of arty pieces as any other Pact force.

Helos are not the best, but they still have some.

The only pact div that could rise to these hights was 7th Pz Div, which got heavily nerfed. 25% nerf just for the KUB itself. What other Nato div has ever been nerfed by 25% in one swoop? Especially on a unit that had a mediocre performance?

When you put all of the above together you get an OP div.

Nerfing the KUB and T-55's not only nerfed the strongest Pact div, it also nerfed the weakest divs in the whole game, namely KDA and 4th.

And then you take a look at the other Pact "tank" divs and you start crying.
WTF is 119th supposed to do against 5E or 3rd US? C'mon tell me it's a skill issue and show me how to play.
Or 79th for that matter? It got its AA coverage nerfed by nerfing KUB's by 25%. It's BEST tank has the same PEN as the scout AMX-10. MIG-31's got nerfed a while back.

5Eazy got nefed, AFTER A YEAR, and it's not top dog anymore not because of the nerf, but because the meta changed. From all the TANK divs its still the best, and its good enough overall still, but not best overall anymore.

Oh yeah they BUFFED Tunguska by lowering its cost by 10 points. REJOICE

Eugen PRETENDING to nerf AMX-30 and buff T-72 are nothing more than smoke and mirrors. You are being played like a fool.

The -2 armor on AMX-30 doesn't mean that much in the grand scheme of things. It can have the same armor as AMX-10 RC and it would still be a decent tank. They have the same gun, same offroad speed(which matters the most).
The AMX-30 were already being 2 shot at certain distances, at which most combat takes place, and guess what? the -2 armor nerf will still allow them to survive 1 hit, aka being 2 shot as before.

AMX-30 also has a 20mm cannon that can KILL T-55 and T-62's. In close quarters T-55 and T-62 have NO CHANCE against AMX-30. PERIOD.

And it's not the AMX-30 alone that makes 5Eazy, you could nerf them into the ground, to the level of Leo1A1 and the deck would still be a decent deck, much better than some PACT ones.

The same applies to the T-72 but in reverse, the +2 armor will mean nothing in 80% of real cases. If the T-72 died in 2 hits before, it will die in 2 hits now too. Baring a few rare exceptions.
The issue of T-72 was never its lack of armor. Look at 45% acc. Look at the lack of smoke.
The T-72 was hit harder this latest patch, their number were reduced more than AMX-30 numbers were.

EDIT: I'm talking about 1v1. 10v10 enjoyers need not read. Go back to spamming your 8 MARS/M270.

+1

[Teleporting…]

I see mndbsd getting banned. But he did make a very good point. French divs and NATO divs is way too overpowered in ranks now. The nerf to pact divs is making them unplayable. And it is NOT skill issue. A newbee could sweat a pact general greatly by utilizing all those op stuff of certain div and it is just sad.

[[EUG] MadMat]

Originally posted by Teleporting…:

I see mndbsd getting banned. But he did make a very good point.

He was banned temporarily, as others with him, not for any point he made, but for all the off-topic inflammatory comments they collectively produced on the side.

[ChargingSnail]

Originally posted by EUG MadMat:

Originally posted by Teleporting…:

I see mndbsd getting banned. But he did make a very good point.

He was banned temporarily, as others with him, not for any point he made, but for all the off-topic inflammatory comments they collectively produced on the side.

To be honest I'm also sceptical about T-72s buffnerf. If other tanks also recive armor buff, that will be a overall nerf. Because it loose 175 m range, and other tanks will gain additional ap -due to that T-72s needs to get closer - aginst it. And T-72s won't gain any. Laser rangefinder is enough for it to have 2275 range. Sure it lacks ability to fire at moving targets, but 50% of acc reflects that. If any other tanks won't recive armor buffs, it may be not that bad.