Amx 30 overperforming

[Akeris]

How does a 80mm armored tank with a 105mm gun have 13 armor and 19 AP?
Protection level is slightly better than a Leopard tank IRL and the gun is basically a L7 copy so the stats don't really add up...

[HuggiePuggie]

yea idk either

[Akeris]

In WGRD the Brenus had 16 ap and 11 armor. That seems more reasonable imho

[mndbsd]

You are WRONG.
You are talking about factory specs, but it is known fact that before battle French tanks are blessed by Napoleons eternal spirit.
He however only gives his blessing to the most powerful of machines, leaving the meek to fend for themselves on the battlefield.

It's a shame Eugen chose to portray only the blessed machines in their game.

Soviets also regularly invoke the spirit of Stalin to bless their machines before battle, such machines can be found in titles such as Wurl of Tonkas and WarThunda.

Eugen decided to not portray blessed T-80's, BUK's and MiG in their game. In the game of the real time strategy genre name Warno you will only find the weakest T-80 driven by a blind driver with an epileptic as a gunner and MiG's regularly flown by bazaar salesman.

If i had to give my 2 cents on this matter i would confidently say that this is a matter of spirituality and religion, and Eugen has every right to express their religion as we all are.
Calling their creed into question is very rude and impolite. You should immediately apologize and feel bad.

[Aegmar]

Soviet tanks also don't explode after the first hit, as they often do in reality. Its a game and there are balance considerations. To make the french Tanks viable in game they made them a bit tougher than they really are, thats fine i think, its not supposed to be a 100 % simulation, or is it ?

[Drug Tino]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

Soviet tanks also don't explode after the first hit, as they often do in reality. Its a game and there are balance considerations. To make the french Tanks viable in game they made them a bit tougher than they really are, thats finde i think, its not supposed to be a 100 % simulation, or is it ?

You are of course right that gameplay and balancing are important.
As such no tank in-game explodes after the first hit, as they would in real life when ammo is hit (no matter the tanks country of origin.)

But it does not conform to Eugen's principles that vehicles are so out of line with their real characteristics. Espacially the relatives are imporant here.
The AMX-30 has higher armor than the up-armored Leo 1 and M48 in-game. IRL that is not the case Why no love for these?

If there is balancing need better adjust availability and price and overall deck structure. And its not like 5th Blindee is a weak division that needs buffs. And French armor was historically supposed to be lighter, more cavalry-like, focused around manouver.

I made a comment on that myself a few weeks back.

[mndbsd]

I understand now,

When it's advantageous for Nato it's balance

When it's disadvantageous for Pact its historical accuracy

NEVER the other way around.

The average forum enjoyer once saw a youtube video about how bad soviet sights are, now anything red can't hit a barn from the inside. Funny enough that he didn't read about how Konkurs has a 90% first hit chance.

Wagner in a leisurely manner shot down 6 helos and 1 plane in a beautiful afternoon with SOVIET gear, but somehow in this WW3 SIMULATOR the same soviet gear misses 6 times in a row against an Apache. HMMMMMMMMMMM....................

But fret not mon ami, Mistral will casually snipe MiG 25 and 31 on a regular basis because why the f not.
Mirage F1's that were not really that maneuverable can somehow outmanouver an Su-27.

It was so simple yet the answer eluded me for so long.

Originally posted by Aegmar:

Soviet tanks also don't explode after the first hit

AMX 10 also doesn't disassemble itself when going 73kph offroad.

[Akeris]

I think the speed is an overlooked aspect. It should be as fast as the Leopard 1(59kph)
So either the Leo is too slow or the Amx is too fast

[BRlCKSHlTHOUSE]

Hon Hon Hon, they will never admit to the ridiculous bias that French units get in this game.

[BlackFoxSamaki]

AMX-30 with nonsense stats is part of Eugen's focus on historical accuracy and authenticity, along with squads in 1989 throwing satchel charges at each other instead of using their grenade launchers and the UK refusing to use the Marksman systems they have because even during WW3, they have to make sure those systems get to Finland, despite Finland possibly being an Enemy of NATO in WARNO's dumb universe.

[ZHS-Khetsin[武]]

French bias
I can't understand that the M48, which has much stronger protection than AMX30/ Leopard in reality, only has 5 armor (only comparable to BMP3 and Marder 1A3 IFV)
The protection level of T-55 is stronger than Leopard 1, but in WARNO they are both 7 armor

[Aegmar]

Originally posted by Friendinwerrier:

The vrench are loosing to Mali...

Kinda, but politically. The french forces who fought during OP Serval? or what was it called shredded everything they found...

If i was some corrupt african dictator or military junta bigshot i too would lean towards russias cleptocratic mafia-regime^^ Potentially more in it for me and my clan.

[[EUG] MadMat]

Originally posted by !PlanetN00b!.Akeris:

Amx 30 overperforming

Well, that should address some of your complains:
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1611600/view/3640646072971252340

[Akeris]

Originally posted by EUG MadMat:

Originally posted by !PlanetN00b!.Akeris:

Amx 30 overperforming

Well, that should address some of your complains:
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1611600/view/3640646072971252340

This is indeed great news. Every update improves the game. Looking forward to the next milestone

[mndbsd]

Originally posted by !PlanetN00b!.Akeris:

Originally posted by EUG MadMat:

Well, that should address some of your complains:
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1611600/view/3640646072971252340

This is indeed great news. Every update nerfs Pact. Looking forward to the next milestone

Fixed it for you.

[Akeris]

Did you read the post? Didn't sound like a pact nerf to me