British divisions

[cheekybilly]

Why no Chieftain/Challenger Marksman or Falcon SPAAG?

The lack of fast moving, rapid firing AA puts both British divisions at a distinct disadvantage compared to almost all other current divisions, when attempting to advance at speed.

[Elder_Forest]

Because they are being historical - true story: Brits operational research decided SPAAG were ineffective against low flying fast jet aircraft relative to missiles, so they switched all their budget to buying missile AA, somehow they seemed to forget about enemy helicopter threat.

[cheekybilly]

Asked and answered, cheers.

[[EUG] MadMat]

Originally posted by cheekybilly:

Why no Chieftain/Challenger Marksman or Falcon SPAAG?

Because they didn't exist (Falcon) or were only export options (Marksman turret) the British Army never used.

[BlackFoxSamaki]

Originally posted by EUG MadMat:

Originally posted by cheekybilly:

Why no Chieftain/Challenger Marksman or Falcon SPAAG?

Because they didn't exist (Falcon) or were only export options (Marksman turret) the British Army never used.

Yes, and I’m sure that in your march to war uchrony nonsense with everyone gearing up to fight WW3 the British were apparently unable to figure out how to mount the Marksman system on some Chieftains while the French were able to reach into the future and conjure up the Brennus and the Russians accelerated time itself to put the KA-50 into service. There is zero reason why the British should not have the marksman in this game. The Marksman system was already being tested in 1984 on British tanks, the army just didn’t accept them because there was no perceived need for them, an opinion that would change if WW3 was looming on the horizon.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

uchrony nonsense

There's a huge difference between "upgrade package fully ready to apply to existing tanks as soon as a wide-scale conflict breaks out" (BRENUS), "brand new attack platform fully developed, tested and approved for deployment in 1984" (Ka-50) and "We experimented with the concept and decided that it does not suit our needs and has no place in our military when we have so many better alternatives" (Challenger Marksman).

[BlackFoxSamaki]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

uchrony nonsense

There's a huge difference between "upgrade package fully ready to apply to existing tanks as soon as a wide-scale conflict breaks out" (BRENUS), "brand new attack platform fully developed, tested and approved for deployment in 1984" (Ka-50) and "We experimented with the concept and decided that it does not suit our needs and has no place in our military when we have so many better alternatives" (Challenger Marksman).

Hardly. Both the Brennus and KA-50 are only included in the game due to accelerated development from increasing tensions leading to WW3. That reasoning is fine, but the idea that it wouldn't apply to the Marksman system is ridiculous. The Marksman system was already functioning in 1984 and would easily have been more than ready by 1989. Even without the impetus of WW3, it was already in service with the Finnish in 1990, a much less egregious breach of real historical accuracy than the KA-50 which only actually entered service in 1995. The idea that the British would not make use of every asset available in the wake of the third world war simply because they considered some other system to be theoretically more effective is laughable.

[Sokol]

The british AA is already pretty good man