Aircraft are ruined.

[Kaos]

HE is horrible now. No way a T-55 can eat a massive bomb. No way any tanks can really. The balance beforehand was fine and AA seems improved well enough to where we could keep the same damage for aircraft. Its awful now. Cluster is mid but still trash HE and LGBs literally do NO DAMAGE at all. I dont even think the devs are playing the same game as us. Stop watering it down for cry babies. Im sorry modern war is about aircraft and artillery but theres plenty of ways to adjust your tactics. This is starting to become an arcadey mess. Dont blob up your units, constantly relocate thats literally key to modern warfare dont just sit in the same place, deploy AA, and have AA jets on standby. Are people really crying that much that bombs literally do NO DAMAGE AT ALL? Its extremely immersive breaking. If this is how the balance is gonna be in Army General than i dont even wanna see it. This is just terrible. All we needed was better AA not aircraft that have no purpose because bombs do no damage. Your telling me a tow can one shot a tank but a big ass bomb cant? Devs must not be playing the same game or just have a skeleton crew working on this while they milk SD2. Just awful. One step forward two steps back dude.

[Sil.^Fisk]

Yes, planes are in a bad spot all around.
Bombing is near pointless considering the expensive price tags and limited availability planes have. Perhaps keep the AA buff but bring planes back to how they were.

[Kiss My Ass]

Originally posted by Sil.^Fisk:

Yes, planes are in a bad spot all around.
Bombing is near pointless considering the expensive price tags and limited availability planes have. Perhaps keep the AA buff but bring planes back to how they were.

+1

[Pepper]

Yes, bring aircrafts back to Oudinot stats please. If you feel bombers are too strong, increase radar SAM range to a reasonable amount.

I think radar Sam should cover half of the map. This gives a reason to use them in the first place over ir guided sam's, and makes SEAD much more important...

[ccc]

I sent two HE f16 at a command tank and a bunch of infantry and only damaged the engine of the tank and killed an already battered engineer flash unit.

I don't use the bombers now.

[Baluarte07]

Taking advantage of your complaint about the aircraft that received nerf damage and I agree with you, this was terrible, and also the f117 misses the target several times this should never happen with an aircraft armed with LGB, it should hit 100% of the launches even with the moving target, the f117 is already highly vulnerable to AA units, I see it as unacceptable for it to miss targets even in movement, we are talking about the gbu-27 paveway iii laser guided bomb (2000lb) high precision and destructive power, it was nicknamed hammer, so I see that this needs to be fixed

[MSZ-006]

One step forward two steps back! That's the best description to these updates since Jan. This is just another one of many classic Eugen way of balancing.

[Teleporting…]

Buffing the AA is good, but taking out the bombers is ridiculous.

[Pepper]

Originally posted by SU-27S:

One step forward two steps back! That's the best description to these updates since Jan. This is just another one of many classic Eugen way of balancing.

Two steps back is actually what we need right now.

Lets go back to Oudinot, and the start from there.

Fix airpower by making AAA and SAM better.

Fix artillery by making them slow to relocate after a barrage.

[molnibalage]

Originally posted by KillaMando:

HE is horrible now. No way a T-55 can eat a massive bomb. No way any tanks can really. The balance beforehand was fine and AA seems improved well enough to where we could keep the same damage for aircraft. Its awful now. Cluster is mid but still trash HE and LGBs literally do NO DAMAGE at all. I dont even think the devs are playing the same game as us. Stop watering it down for cry babies. Im sorry modern war is about aircraft and artillery but theres plenty of ways to adjust your tactics. This is starting to become an arcadey mess. Dont blob up your units, constantly relocate thats literally key to modern warfare dont just sit in the same place, deploy AA, and have AA jets on standby. Are people really crying that much that bombs literally do NO DAMAGE AT ALL? Its extremely immersive breaking. If this is how the balance is gonna be in Army General than i dont even wanna see it. This is just terrible. All we needed was better AA not aircraft that have no purpose because bombs do no damage. Your telling me a tow can one shot a tank but a big ass bomb cant? Devs must not be playing the same game or just have a skeleton crew working on this while they milk SD2. Just awful. One step forward two steps back dude.

Nope, this is just the reality. HE unguided bombs in RL are not a tool against MBTs.
That is is.

HE bomb planes = area coverage against soft targets
AGM planes = tool against HV tanks
CBU planes = tool against cheaper, less armored tank groups

[Pepper]

The current state is ridiculous. You can bomb infantry in the open with TWO Mirage-IV and it will survive. Thats just bonkers...

[kaladan]

One strange thing in this patch is that SEAD can get routed by AA hit before its in range of that AA - So not only SEAD often miss now it can just run and die without even shooting single missile. On one hand it spares you disappointment of missing.

Oh and once tornado HE missed all bombs on standing infantry and then killed 5 in one pass with guns lol

[MSZ-006]

Originally posted by Vulture:

Originally posted by SU-27S:

One step forward two steps back! That's the best description to these updates since Jan. This is just another one of many classic Eugen way of balancing.

Two steps back is actually what we need right now.

Lets go back to Oudinot, and the start from there.

Fix airpower by making AAA and SAM better.

Fix artillery by making them slow to relocate after a barrage.

The two steps back makes more meaning of they made one good thing better and two bad things worse..

[MSZ-006]

Originally posted by molnibalage:

Originally posted by KillaMando:

HE is horrible now. No way a T-55 can eat a massive bomb. No way any tanks can really. The balance beforehand was fine and AA seems improved well enough to where we could keep the same damage for aircraft. Its awful now. Cluster is mid but still trash HE and LGBs literally do NO DAMAGE at all. I dont even think the devs are playing the same game as us. Stop watering it down for cry babies. Im sorry modern war is about aircraft and artillery but theres plenty of ways to adjust your tactics. This is starting to become an arcadey mess. Dont blob up your units, constantly relocate thats literally key to modern warfare dont just sit in the same place, deploy AA, and have AA jets on standby. Are people really crying that much that bombs literally do NO DAMAGE AT ALL? Its extremely immersive breaking. If this is how the balance is gonna be in Army General than i dont even wanna see it. This is just terrible. All we needed was better AA not aircraft that have no purpose because bombs do no damage. Your telling me a tow can one shot a tank but a big ass bomb cant? Devs must not be playing the same game or just have a skeleton crew working on this while they milk SD2. Just awful. One step forward two steps back dude.

Nope, this is just the reality. HE unguided bombs in RL are not a tool against MBTs.
That is is.

HE bomb planes = area coverage against soft targets
AGM planes = tool against HV tanks
CBU planes = tool against cheaper, less armored tank groups

Go watch what happened in desert storm, the year was close to 1989.. Saddam's republican guard will be happy to see this.

[molnibalage]

Originally posted by SU-27S:

Originally posted by molnibalage:

Nope, this is just the reality. HE unguided bombs in RL are not a tool against MBTs.
That is is.

HE bomb planes = area coverage against soft targets
AGM planes = tool against HV tanks
CBU planes = tool against cheaper, less armored tank groups

Go watch what happened in desert storm, the year was close to 1989.. Saddam's republican guard will be happy to see this.

I know what happened. The tanks were killed in 99% of cases with AGM-65 or GBU-12 from F-111F and with CBU. Not with Mk-82 or Mk-84...

[MSZ-006]

Originally posted by molnibalage:

Originally posted by SU-27S:

Go watch what happened in desert storm, the year was close to 1989.. Saddam's republican guard will be happy to see this.

I know what happened. The tanks were killed in 99% of cases with AGM-65 or GBU-12 from F-111F and with CBU. Not with Mk-82 or Mk-84...

Yes so what's the charge difference between GBU-12 and Mk-82? I know you are saying GBU has more accuracy with its guided head, but non-guided bomb doesn't mean they can't hit the tank. Unfortunately they are not doing damage even they hit the tank in game rn.