f-14 still missing

[Admiral Bitchface]

The f-14 still ain't in the game but they added the mig 31? These aircraft go hand in hand with each other and yet they still don't add the tomcat (the clearly superior and sexier aircraft)? My patience is wearing thin.

[DasaKamov]

The F-15 Eagle is the counterpart to the Mig-31.

[BlackFoxSamaki]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

The F-15 Eagle is the counterpart to the Mig-31.

No, the F-15 is the counterpart to the SU-27S. The MiG-31 has no real analogue in WARNO's NATO arsenal. There really should be one NATO deck with F-14's with Phoenix missiles but Eugen seems to not be interested in having logical choices for what equipment is and isn't in the game. For example, KA-50 but no Eurocopter Tigre.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

For example, KA-50 but no Eurocopter Tigre.

Ka-50: Approved for production in 1984
Eurocopter Tiger: Approved for production in 1996

[Sil.^Fisk]

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

The F-15 Eagle is the counterpart to the Mig-31.

No, the F-15 is the counterpart to the SU-27S. The MiG-31 has no real analogue in WARNO's NATO arsenal. There really should be one NATO deck with F-14's with Phoenix missiles but Eugen seems to not be interested in having logical choices for what equipment is and isn't in the game. For example, KA-50 but no Eurocopter Tigre.

Pact however no real counter to the 6 divisions with heavy howitzers. Sure they have 1 unpopular division with the Malka. Thus there are more balancing issues to be taken care of.

[BlackFoxSamaki]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

For example, KA-50 but no Eurocopter Tigre.

Ka-50: Approved for production in 1984
Eurocopter Tiger: Approved for production in 1996

Ka-50 Production wasn't ordered until 1987 and actual orders for the military weren't put out until testing was finished in 1990. Field trials didn't start until 1993 and none of them ever entered service until 1995, long after the fall of the USSR. Now, supposedly in WARNO's made up fantasy timeline, production and design were ramped up and funding was never an issue.

The development of the Eurocopter started in 1984 and almost ended in 1986 due to high costs, but restarted in 1987. In WARNO's silly timeline though where radical hardliners have taken control of the USSR, it would be reasonable to assume things like the Eurocopter would have not had funding issues and like the KA-50 would have seen accelerated development.

Instead Eugen refuses to apply their own logic consistently and we get nonsense where one feasible prototype is acceptable but the other isn't with no legitimate reason as to why.

Originally posted by Sil.^Fisk:

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

No, the F-15 is the counterpart to the SU-27S. The MiG-31 has no real analogue in WARNO's NATO arsenal. There really should be one NATO deck with F-14's with Phoenix missiles but Eugen seems to not be interested in having logical choices for what equipment is and isn't in the game. For example, KA-50 but no Eurocopter Tigre.

Pact however no real counter to the 6 divisions with heavy howitzers. Sure they have 1 unpopular division with the Malka. Thus there are more balancing issues to be taken care of.

NATO has more heavy SP artillery but PACT has far more MLRS. PACT decks in general are also more well rounded than NATO ones, something that will benefit them much more when artillery is finally fixed and stops being the sole focus of the game.

[Nannun]

Is possible in future to create nemesis dlcs with other nations divisions? Another Varsaw pact div,Arab,Israel,China,Japan,Koreeas. I personal espect divisions from Central and East Europe,even they have similar weapons or moddified. A one example.. Romania have 316 B attack helicopter,licence from France,but with soviet or Romanian weapons. Will be nice to see them,or IAR 99,TR 85,etc.

[born to shit forced to wipe]

wear my ♥♥♥♥ thin

[Aegmar]

Would it be reasonable to expect an F-14 Tomcat over the Skies of WW3 Germany ? its a Navy plane.

Only Scenario i can think of is that a US Carrier maybe was sunk and most planes survived being in the air at the time being. But those would probably end up be used patrolling the North and Norwegian Sea from Bases in the UK to make use of their range instead of Dogfighting over the Battlefields.

MiG 31 is of course just as goofy as a frontline fighter, but after all its a game. Both are not really making sense in the game but some odd chain of events might have led to some making an appearance.

[BlackFoxSamaki]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

Would it be reasonable to expect an F-14 Tomcat over the Skies of WW3 Germany ? its a Navy plane.

Only Scenario i can think of is that a US Carrier maybe was sunk and most planes survived being in the air at the time being. But those would probably end up be used patrolling the North and Norwegian Sea from Bases in the UK to make use of their range instead of Dogfighting over the Battlefields.

MiG 31 is of course just as goofy as a frontline fighter, but after all its a game. Both are not really making sense in the game but some odd chain of events might have led to some making an appearance.

Either both of them are in the game or they aren’t. Whatever reasoning could justify the MiG-31 would do the same for the F-14. All I want is for Eugen to apply their own logic consistently but apparently that’s too much to ask.

[soldier6661111]

Do you know what the F-14 is?

[mndbsd]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

Would it be reasonable to expect an F-14 Tomcat over the Skies of WW3 Germany ? its a Navy plane.

Only Scenario i can think of is that a US Carrier maybe was sunk and most planes survived being in the air at the time being.

Just because its a navy plane doesnt mean it cant land or take off from runways.

A plausible scenario for F14 over europe i can think of is in the case of partial destruction of Nato patriot or other long range sam systems by Pact sead operations. This could prompt a couple of F14 to be deployed to mainland EU to protect against long range, high altitude bombers. No other plane can carry the Phoenix missile but the Tomcat, and it was made to shoot down bombers from 100+km away, and it could substitute for patriot while its being repaired/redeployed.

What do you think?

[mndbsd]

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

Either both of them are in the game or they aren’t. Whatever reasoning could justify the MiG-31 would do the same for the F-14. All I want is for Eugen to apply their own logic consistently but apparently that’s too much to ask.

Disagree, iirc the mig 31 was developed as a response to the f-111. It has nothing to do with f-14.
And the F-111 was developed as a response to the mig-25, and the mig-25 as a response to B-1 and other high altitute bombers.

It's a game of cat and mouse and the Tomcat, despite its name is neither a cat nor a mouse in this story.

[born to shit forced to wipe]

Originally posted by mndbsd:

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

Either both of them are in the game or they aren’t. Whatever reasoning could justify the MiG-31 would do the same for the F-14. All I want is for Eugen to apply their own logic consistently but apparently that’s too much to ask.

Disagree, iirc the mig 31 was developed as a response to the f-111. It has nothing to do with f-14.
And the F-111 was developed as a response to the mig-25, and the mig-25 as a response to B-1 and other high altitute bombers.

It's a game of cat and mouse and the Tomcat, despite its name is neither a cat nor a mouse in this story.

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[molnibalage]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

For example, KA-50 but no Eurocopter Tigre.

Ka-50: Approved for production in 1984
Eurocopter Tiger: Approved for production in 1996

Pls. forget the 100% idiot wiki dates they are 100% useless without interpretation.

The "approved for prod" = early model which most of time meant a very slow and limited qty.

For ex. check the 9K33/SA-8A.
Wiki IOC 1972. Reality?
Production: In ’70-1, ’71-3, ’72-15. In ’73 the 1 regiment was formed with 12 vehicles.
In reality the inventory of a regiment had to be 20 vehicles.

SA-11?
The same.
Simply disregard the 1980 date. The REAL Buk-M1 with its operational capabilities arrived to the first unit in 1985...

What are the exceptions? For ex the T-64 vs T-64A. Almost a 1000 T-64 were produced no matter the tons of issues with it.

Similar the MiG-29 9.12. The originally aimed level was the MiG-29M which never reached the mass production. Even the 9.13 was just an interim thing.

[molnibalage]

MIG-31 should be converted into MiG-23MLD.
Compared with ML add + ECM because it had dispensers while even the ML did not have it.

It is insane that the MOST ABUNDANT plane of the Soviet Air Force is not in the game. In mod '80s about 25% of the total inventory was MLD in the Frontal Aviation...