F117 ECM

[catplane]

The Stealth Fighter has zero ECM and gets shot down immidiatly??

[Rabidnid]

It's also 130 points so it seems like that is on purpose. Think of it as a placeholder for when they finally get around to giving it proper stats and cost.

[molnibalage]

Originally posted by catplane:

The Stealth Fighter has zero ECM and gets shot down immidiatly??

In RL F-117 relied only stealth. It did not have even RWR...

[Sokol]

Originally posted by molnibalage:

Originally posted by catplane:

The Stealth Fighter has zero ECM and gets shot down immidiatly??

In RL F-117 relied only stealth. It did not have even RWR...

Yeah, but there is no stealth for it in game.

[BlackFoxSamaki]

Originally posted by Sokol:

Originally posted by molnibalage:

In RL F-117 relied only stealth. It did not have even RWR...

Yeah, but there is no stealth for it in game.

Yeah, doesn't seem to actually have any stealth despite what Eugen said. The low unit cost suggests that they even knew it has no stealth plus no ECM and adjusted its price accordingly.

[Dazooe]

Indeed, I think in my mind to say it would used it’s stealth to get to the battle field but once there it’s not hard to see it visually. At least it Carrie’s a big payload ☺️

[Ava]

Originally posted by Dazooe:

Indeed, I think in my mind to say it would used it’s stealth to get to the battle field but once there it’s not hard to see it visually. At least it Carrie’s a big payload ☺️

The payload is both its curse and blessing. Its very accurate as it is a controlled bomb; but if you stop the attack (make a move command before the bomb landed), the bomb will just go wherever.

[molnibalage]

If you ask me the F-117 should not be in the game just as the MiG-31...

[rythmshifter]

Originally posted by molnibalage:

If you ask me the F-117 should not be in the game just as the MiG-31...

genuinely curious, why not?

[molnibalage]

Originally posted by rythmshifter:

Originally posted by molnibalage:

If you ask me the F-117 should not be in the game just as the MiG-31...

genuinely curious, why not?

F-117 is a strategic level asset and flew only at night. While in WG the d/n difference is simply not modeled. Also the F-117 could be used against fixed target in stealth mode it did not have even radio and did not have any radar from ID and find moving targets.

Adding for the game as a CAS plane is totally funny and inaccurate in n+1 different ways.

The MiG-31 is a homeland air defense fighter and NEVER stationed anywhere close to Germany.

[catplane]

Originally posted by molnibalage:

Originally posted by rythmshifter:

genuinely curious, why not?

F-117 is a strategic level asset and flew only at night. While in WG the d/n difference is simply not modeled. Also the F-117 could be used against fixed target in stealth mode it did not have even radio and did not have any radar from ID and find moving targets.

Adding for the game as a CAS plane is totally funny and inaccurate in n+1 different ways.

The MiG-31 is a homeland air defense fighter and NEVER stationed anywhere close to Germany.

Totally correct. The F117 make only sense in a "I sneak to Berlin and drop some bombs" way. But then the stealth has to be considered. Now it has less value then an Alpha Jet.

[A Lamp]

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

Originally posted by Sokol:

Yeah, but there is no stealth for it in game.

Yeah, doesn't seem to actually have any stealth despite what Eugen said. The low unit cost suggests that they even knew it has no stealth plus no ECM and adjusted its price accordingly.

can confirm it does not have any stealth atm. I used it to bomb a radar AA which is a tactic I did in WGRD all the time cause the irony amused me. but in Warno I watched the AA fire a radar guided missile and smack the F-117 right in the face shooting it down. So unless warno has a semi realistic way to model stealth where stealth is a function of range then theres no stealth. (though the nighthawk wasnt even close enough to drop its bombs when it was shot down)

[rythmshifter]

Originally posted by A Lamp:

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

Yeah, doesn't seem to actually have any stealth despite what Eugen said. The low unit cost suggests that they even knew it has no stealth plus no ECM and adjusted its price accordingly.

can confirm it does not have any stealth atm. I used it to bomb a radar AA which is a tactic I did in WGRD all the time cause the irony amused me. but in Warno I watched the AA fire a radar guided missile and smack the F-117 right in the face shooting it down. So unless warno has a semi realistic way to model stealth where stealth is a function of range then theres no stealth. (though the nighthawk wasnt even close enough to drop its bombs when it was shot down)

despite what WGRD might have caused you to believe, first-gen stealth was not THAT good.

[A Lamp]

Originally posted by Reality Merchant:

Did none of you notice that half of the CAS for the Berlin Command are strat bombers that are needed to bypass the air defenses surrounding Berlin (the harriers are there because of their VTOL capability I assume)? Obviously the plane isn't going to be stealthy when it is directly over the battlefield bombing things in broad daylight but the stealth allows it to be there in the first place.

Not every single division and unit is designed to be 100% competitive in every scenario, WARNO is taking a more thematic approach and tries to consider the situation beyond the battlefield.

the dev blogs go into this. having strat bombers is on purpose

[Sokol]

Originally posted by Reality Merchant:

Did none of you notice that half of the CAS for the Berlin Command are strat bombers that are needed to bypass the air defenses surrounding Berlin (the harriers are there because of their VTOL capability I assume)? Obviously the plane isn't going to be stealthy when it is directly over the battlefield bombing things in broad daylight but the stealth allows it to be there in the first place.

Not every single division and unit is designed to be 100% competitive in every scenario, WARNO is taking a more thematic approach and tries to consider the situation beyond the battlefield.

Yeah, but if isnt actually feasible or good to use, then why even have it in-game?

[DasaKamov]

The F-117 is feasible. What it isn't is some sort of wunderwaffe, which seems to be what some people were expecting.

EDIT: Does it deserve tweaking? Absolutely. I would love to see it's stealth get buffed so that only enemy fighters/interceptors with good air optics can spot it at range. But there's no reason for this "RAAAARGH DELETE THE F-117 FROM GAME" nonsense, and this is why WARNO is in Early Access.