recon plane

[commissaire lachance🇫🇷]

I think it would be interesting to implement reconnaissance planes in the game, these planes would be little or not armed and equipped with optical modules intended for ground observation, they could however only spot targets with lower stealth compared to "good". I think these planes would be relatively balanced because they would provide a lot of intelligence but would be vulnerable to fighter planes and AA equipped with long range missiles (however they would fly high to avoid less long range ground AA like manpads). for example France could have the Mirage IIIR (if it was deployable in a WW3 scenario).

[commissaire lachance🇫🇷]

moreover it had already been done in SD2

[molnibalage]

Originally posted by commissaire lachance🇫🇷:

moreover it had already been done in SD2

Because the time and distance compression and plane features are different in SD2.

Countless time had been denied this request since ALB.
It was tested and was totally bad and OP in gameplay because the planes in CW era have PGM. In SD they do not have such thing.

[commissaire lachance🇫🇷]

Originally posted by molnibalage:

Originally posted by commissaire lachance🇫🇷:

moreover it had already been done in SD2

Because the time and distance compression and plane features are different in SD2.

Countless time had been denied this request since ALB.
It was tested and was totally bad and OP in gameplay because the planes in CW era have PGM. In SD they do not have such thing.

I have a lot of trouble understanding your comment because of the many abbreviations, could you please modify it in order to make it more understandable for me and the rest of the community?

[soldier6661111]

Originally posted by commissaire lachance🇫🇷:

Originally posted by molnibalage:

Because the time and distance compression and plane features are different in SD2.

Countless time had been denied this request since ALB.
It was tested and was totally bad and OP in gameplay because the planes in CW era have PGM. In SD they do not have such thing.

I have a lot of trouble understanding your comment because of the many abbreviations, could you please modify it in order to make it more understandable for me and the rest of the community?

There's only one abbreviation there that might not be understandable but the rest really...

PGM = Pigeon Guided Missile

I'll link wiki, though there are military sources too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon

[molnibalage]

Originally posted by commissaire lachance🇫🇷:

Originally posted by molnibalage:

Because the time and distance compression and plane features are different in SD2.

Countless time had been denied this request since ALB.
It was tested and was totally bad and OP in gameplay because the planes in CW era have PGM. In SD they do not have such thing.

I have a lot of trouble understanding your comment because of the many abbreviations, could you please modify it in order to make it more understandable for me and the rest of the community?

CW = Cold War
PGM = precision guided munition
OP = over powered

[commissaire lachance🇫🇷]

Originally posted by molnibalage:

Originally posted by commissaire lachance🇫🇷:

I have a lot of trouble understanding your comment because of the many abbreviations, could you please modify it in order to make it more understandable for me and the rest of the community?

CW = Cold War
PGM = precision guided munition
OP = over powered

and in cold war the DCA tends to be an order of magnitude more effective than in WW2, a reconnaissance aircraft descending enough to deliver an explosive charge would be shot like a pigeon in the sky, they would have difficulty using Laser Guided Bomb in Due to the weight of the display equipment which is far too heavy, conventional aircraft could possibly exploit this spotting. A solid anti-aircraft cover would prevent them from doing so. However, the command vehicles would have to be invisible to these aircraft to avoid sniping.

[molnibalage]

Originally posted by commissaire lachance🇫🇷:

Originally posted by molnibalage:

CW = Cold War
PGM = precision guided munition
OP = over powered

and in cold war the DCA tends to be an order of magnitude more effective than in WW2, a reconnaissance aircraft descending enough to deliver an explosive charge would be shot like a pigeon in the sky, they would have difficulty using Laser Guided Bomb in Due to the weight of the display equipment which is far too heavy, conventional aircraft could possibly exploit this spotting. A solid anti-aircraft cover would prevent them from doing so. However, the command vehicles would have to be invisible to these aircraft to avoid sniping.

The game simply does not model the lag between the flyby of the recon plane.
In SD the recon is real time.
But if you allowed such RT recognin WARNO / WG comes an AGM plane and simply eradicate anything with pinpoint accuracy...

[commissaire lachance🇫🇷]

Originally posted by molnibalage:

Originally posted by commissaire lachance🇫🇷:

and in cold war the DCA tends to be an order of magnitude more effective than in WW2, a reconnaissance aircraft descending enough to deliver an explosive charge would be shot like a pigeon in the sky, they would have difficulty using Laser Guided Bomb in Due to the weight of the display equipment which is far too heavy, conventional aircraft could possibly exploit this spotting. A solid anti-aircraft cover would prevent them from doing so. However, the command vehicles would have to be invisible to these aircraft to avoid sniping.

The game simply does not model the lag between the flyby of the recon plane.
In SD the recon is real time.
But if you allowed such RT recognin WARNO / WG comes an AGM plane and simply eradicate anything with pinpoint accuracy...

I repeat: if you have enough anti-aircraft equipment, you cannot spam planes with this method, because it would be a one-way trip, as far as artillery is concerned, the counter battery always works and you cannot not bomb infantry because the recce plane could not see them because they are too stealthy, moreover these reconnaissance flights would be very short because the longer the plane stays in the air, the more likely it is to be destroyed by an interceptor, so the information obtained would rather be used to prepare an adequate strategy with respect to the situation, you could for example anticipate an attack and avoid a collapse of your defense or conversely bring more helicopters into your offensive to counter tanks spotted, basically it would push players to play smarter

[thugnightly]

Originally posted by commissaire lachance🇫🇷:

Originally posted by molnibalage:

The game simply does not model the lag between the flyby of the recon plane.
In SD the recon is real time.
But if you allowed such RT recognin WARNO / WG comes an AGM plane and simply eradicate anything with pinpoint accuracy...

I repeat: if you have enough anti-aircraft equipment, you cannot spam planes with this method, because it would be a one-way trip, as far as artillery is concerned, the counter battery always works and you cannot not bomb infantry because the recce plane could not see them because they are too stealthy, moreover these reconnaissance flights would be very short because the longer the plane stays in the air, the more likely it is to be destroyed by an interceptor, so the information obtained would rather be used to prepare an adequate strategy with respect to the situation, you could for example anticipate an attack and avoid a collapse of your defense or conversely bring more helicopters into your offensive to counter tanks spotted, basically it would push players to play smarter

Honestly, this would not work. Currently, if you have any experience, you can absolutely demolish people with aircraft (AA or not). AA batteries can not shoot at multiple aircraft at a time so you can just easily bomb or strafe them to death. Having recon planes would just make this easier and OP. On top of that, you can already use SEAD to spot AA to bomb and arty them. IR AA is trash so you can just dodge them. If you need aerial recon just use helos.
100% guarantee that recon aircraft wont be added.

Like could you imagine French airborne with recon planes, 6 fighters (best in game- Mirage), and a load of bombers and support aircraft. Overpowered, unfun, not going to happen. AND having like 25 helos? Yeah no.

[Noblesse Oblige [KG] ⳩]

Recon aircraft in the cold war were generally pre battle not during battle. I am thinking f-8 crusader fast jet recon. Take photos and fly back with them and the battle is over before they are even exposed and presented to command. Forward observer aircraft would be cool but shot down quick.

[commissaire lachance🇫🇷]

Originally posted by thugnightly:

Originally posted by commissaire lachance🇫🇷:

I repeat: if you have enough anti-aircraft equipment, you cannot spam planes with this method, because it would be a one-way trip, as far as artillery is concerned, the counter battery always works and you cannot not bomb infantry because the recce plane could not see them because they are too stealthy, moreover these reconnaissance flights would be very short because the longer the plane stays in the air, the more likely it is to be destroyed by an interceptor, so the information obtained would rather be used to prepare an adequate strategy with respect to the situation, you could for example anticipate an attack and avoid a collapse of your defense or conversely bring more helicopters into your offensive to counter tanks spotted, basically it would push players to play smarter

Honestly, this would not work. Currently, if you have any experience, you can absolutely demolish people with aircraft (AA or not). AA batteries can not shoot at multiple aircraft at a time so you can just easily bomb or strafe them to death. Having recon planes would just make this easier and OP. On top of that, you can already use SEAD to spot AA to bomb and arty them. IR AA is trash so you can just dodge them. If you need aerial recon just use helos.
100% guarantee that recon aircraft wont be added.

Like could you imagine French airborne with recon planes, 6 fighters (best in game- Mirage), and a load of bombers and support aircraft. Overpowered, unfun, not going to happen. AND having like 25 helos? Yeah no.

the AA will certainly focus on an aircraft, but you will still lose an aircraft, and the availability of aircraft as well as their cost makes it unprofitable, in fact if you detect AA you will not send an aircraft