MiG-27K[LGB] price

[Gneckes]

Why does this thing cost 410 points? Bug?

[DasaKamov]

Also, LGBs are bugged currently. When it's fixed, they'll be extremely accurate (more so than "dumb" bombs.)

[Gneckes]

Originally posted by Reality Merchant:

Look at the gun stats.

Slightly worse than those of the A-10.
And other Mig-27s with the same gun stats are significantly cheaper. The version with two Kh-29T missiles is only 175 points, for example.
And having the R-60s is nice, but rarely useful. There are also many other ground attack aircraft with short-range missiles that are far cheaper.

[BlackFoxSamaki]

I think the reason it’s so expensive is because it actually drops two very high HE bombs that can destroy basically anything and laser guidance means they should be almost a guaranteed hit. The problem is LGB’s still don’t work even after almost a year of development. Why didn’t they work in the first place, anyway? They worked in Eugen’s previous games.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

The problem is LGB’s still don’t work even after almost a year of development.

LGB's weren't even added to the game until about two or three milestones ago.

They don't work because A) that's what happens in early-access games and B) because LGBs were hilariously broken in Red Dragon, and Eugen isn't just copy-pasting features from previous games (despite the paradoxical complaints / demands of the loud few).

[BlackFoxSamaki]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

The problem is LGB’s still don’t work even after almost a year of development.

LGB's weren't even added to the game until about two or three milestones ago.

They don't work because A) that's what happens in early-access games and B) because LGBs were hilariously broken in Red Dragon, and Eugen isn't just copy-pasting features from previous games (despite the paradoxical complaints / demands of the loud few).

See, to me that just sounds like Eugen is throwing away features that were already available and then charging people money and making them wait again to get something they already had in a previous game.

Also, I fail to see how LGB's in WARNO are going to be any different from the ones in WG:RD. When you do get them to work, they home in on whatever you targeted and then destroy it. That's the same as how they worked in WG:RD.

[DasaKamov]

How is adding LGBs to WARNO "throwing away features", in your eyes?

[BlackFoxSamaki]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

How is adding LGBs to WARNO "throwing away features", in your eyes?

They should have been implemented right from the game's release. They were already present in previous games, but I have to pay for them again and wait for a year to get them again? Many things that were in previous games are missing or being slowly added back in, why do I have to pay for them again? I expected WARNO to have the features of previous games and add things that were entirely new. So far very little is actually new compared to RD or SD2. FOB's and Destruction mode are being hailed as new content, but those were already in a game from years ago. WARNO just feels like one big rerun but with less content.

[BlackFoxSamaki]

Anyway, I went off topic and I apologize for that. 410 might be a fair price when the LGB's function more correctly. The two bombs the MiG-27 has can probably annihilate even the heaviest tanks and when LGB's are fixed they might even be able to track them into smoke or forest cover and essentially give a guaranteed kill.

[Gneckes]

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

Anyway, I went off topic and I apologize for that. 410 might be a fair price when the LGB's function more correctly. The two bombs the MiG-27 has can probably annihilate even the heaviest tanks and when LGB's are fixed they might even be able to track them into smoke or forest cover and essentially give a guaranteed kill.

I'm pretty sure it only carries one bomb, the model is just that of the Mig-27 with two ATGMs.

[BlackFoxSamaki]

Originally posted by Gneckes:

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

Anyway, I went off topic and I apologize for that. 410 might be a fair price when the LGB's function more correctly. The two bombs the MiG-27 has can probably annihilate even the heaviest tanks and when LGB's are fixed they might even be able to track them into smoke or forest cover and essentially give a guaranteed kill.

I'm pretty sure it only carries one bomb, the model is just that of the Mig-27 with two ATGMs.

I thought so too, but when it bombs, it actually drops two. Eugen stats love to lie to the player.

[Name]

I'm not sold on the LGB bombers, even if they fix the currently broken "fire on position" order - I still will likely not use them. I want the ability to drop either 1 or 2 bombs on a target, and if it's possible have the bomber fire 2 bombs but each bomb drifts off to a near by individual target - NOW that would be cool.

For now, having the plane enter within AA range of target - drop its payload, then perform an incredibly wide turning maneuver only to get blown out of the sky is not worth the cost for me to have these units in my decks. Let alone the long resupply time on these planes.

These are niche meme units in my opinion - for now. Let's see if Eugen improves them.

[BlackFoxSamaki]

Originally posted by Cockstein Protektor der Hühner:

I'm not sold on the LGB bombers, even if they fix the currently broken "fire on position" order - I still will likely not use them. I want the ability to drop either 1 or 2 bombs on a target, and if it's possible have the bomber fire 2 bombs but each bomb drifts off to a near by individual target - NOW that would be cool.

For now, having the plane enter within AA range of target - drop its payload, then perform an incredibly wide turning maneuver only to get blown out of the sky is not worth the cost for me to have these units in my decks. Let alone the long resupply time on these planes.

These are niche meme units in my opinion - for now. Let's see if Eugen improves them.

That's definitely a downside of how planes are currently implemented. There's no way to tell your bomber if you want them to drop all ordinance or just some of it. The planes are very rigid and heavily dependent on if they are programmed to behave specifically in a way the player likes.

Plus Eugen often puts very goofy load-outs on planes. Plane load-out customization linked to a price calculation would be super cool but such innovations seem unlikely to happen.