plans to add naval units? [MEGATHREAD]

[no nonsense guy]

will there be naval units like sea based planes or battleships/carriers/destroyers/cruisers etc?

would be nice to see that added as a category in the future with some maps having sea and land.

Ideas about this feature being added are conveyed in the comments to the thread below.

[Cryptic]

i dont believe that will happen with this one

[molnibalage]

What is the big love against naval units? In RD that part was 100% broken.
The scale and location of the game simply makes then NOGO.

For Gode Sake even modeling the short range land based SAMs are not performed well...

[no nonsense guy]

Originally posted by molnibalage:

What is the big love against naval units? In RD that part was 100% broken.
The scale and location of the game simply makes then NOGO.

For Gode Sake even modeling the short range land based SAMs are not performed well...

Then maybe incorporate them into their own game mode such as naval battles. Like taking out a fleet group with planes loaded with glide weapons such as the AGM-158C LRASM (this is an example. this wouldn't be a specific weapon ingame as it postdates the games era)

Maybe harpoon loadouts for sea planes would be a good concept for a ship based strike mission gamemode.

[no nonsense guy]

Also I know the last stance on this was made on January 24th by a developer, but I also know that game development changes over time.

[molnibalage]

If ANYBODY wish to play a naval sim, why don't you use the tons of existing ones...??????

[no nonsense guy]

Originally posted by molnibalage:

If ANYBODY wish to play a naval sim, why don't you use the tons of existing ones...??????

Your answer only proves that you wish to preserve this game as is, and not progress into a greater more variety-centrist game.

So if I told you I wanted an airplane tech tree added to world of tanks would you tell me to go play War Thunder? No! that is not a valid excuse. There is always room for expansion of game-play.


Also, please list me these "tons of existing" simulators.

[soldier6661111]

Originally posted by sups.gg | jaren the big memer:

Originally posted by molnibalage:

If ANYBODY wish to play a naval sim, why don't you use the tons of existing ones...??????

Your answer only proves that you wish to preserve this game as is, and not progress into a greater more variety-centrist game.

So if I told you I wanted an airplane tech tree added to world of tanks would you tell me to go play War Thunder? No! that is not a valid excuse. There is always room for expansion of game-play.


Also, please list me these "tons of existing" simulators.

Do you only want the ones currently released?

Off the top of my head:

Released:
Cold Waters
Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts
Command: Modern Operations

Currently Unreleased:
Sea Power: Naval Combat in the Missile Age
Aircraft Carrier Survival

There are others, but I'm not going to bother. C:MO might be too indepth and frankly is more of an operation sim than anything else. I enjoy it though. Helps with research in some ways.

[Sirius]

Originally posted by sups.gg | jaren the big memer:

Originally posted by molnibalage:

If ANYBODY wish to play a naval sim, why don't you use the tons of existing ones...??????

Your answer only proves that you wish to preserve this game as is, and not progress into a greater more variety-centrist game.

So if I told you I wanted an airplane tech tree added to world of tanks would you tell me to go play War Thunder? No! that is not a valid excuse. There is always room for expansion of game-play.


Also, please list me these "tons of existing" simulators.

That is what you think.

It is more true to say that you want to turn the game into something it isn't.

It is beyond illogical to have naval units in this setting, except for maybe amphibious.

So while it is fair to want this or that in a game you like, maybe don't try to cram your wants down the throat of a game where this makes the least sense of all the weird suggestions?
Edit:Words, apologies

[no nonsense guy]

Originally posted by |x|SiriuS|x|:

Originally posted by sups.gg | jaren the big memer:

Your answer only proves that you wish to preserve this game as is, and not progress into a greater more variety-centrist game.

So if I told you I wanted an airplane tech tree added to world of tanks would you tell me to go play War Thunder? No! that is not a valid excuse. There is always room for expansion of game-play.


Also, please list me these "tons of existing" simulators.

That is what you think.

It is more true to say that you want to turn the game into something it isn't.

It is beyond illogical to have naval units in this setting, except for maybe amphibious.

So while it is fair to want this or that in a game you like, maybe don't try to cram your wants down the throat of a game where this makes the least sense of all the weird suggestions?
Edit:Words, apologies

That is exactly why I suggested a separate gamemode for naval units to wall them off from the standard experience. Maybe even DLC wall them, who knows? It might just work.

Also if it doesn't make sense at all, how does it exist in Wargame Red Dragon? The predecessor of this game. Albeit it barely functions as intended in the game, you can still make for a few cool battles with them.

[no nonsense guy]

Originally posted by soldier6661111:

Originally posted by sups.gg | jaren the big memer:

Your answer only proves that you wish to preserve this game as is, and not progress into a greater more variety-centrist game.

So if I told you I wanted an airplane tech tree added to world of tanks would you tell me to go play War Thunder? No! that is not a valid excuse. There is always room for expansion of game-play.


Also, please list me these "tons of existing" simulators.

Do you only want the ones currently released?

Off the top of my head:

Released:
Cold Waters
Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts
Command: Modern Operations

Currently Unreleased:
Sea Power: Naval Combat in the Missile Age
Aircraft Carrier Survival

There are others, but I'm not going to bother. C:MO might be too indepth and frankly is more of an operation sim than anything else. I enjoy it though. Helps with research in some ways.

CMANO/CMO is more or less a glorified HOI4 but modernized and more statistical then visually appealing. Also, the military only version which is used by the DOD and US Military branches is farther different. CMANO/CMO is basically a tabletop version of what the WG tries to accomplish. I don't see it as a standalone naval war simulator either. What about more of the 3D simulators? Ultimate Admiral Dreanoughts is constrained to the pre-WW1-WW2 era time frame, I'm looking for an unlimited simulator which isn't bound to era's. Or more so a modern era like this game is taken place in.



Also, using the non-commercialized version of C:MO for research only goes so far data wise. The version military organizations use have almost 100% accurate data on weapons/planes/war-related tech

[no nonsense guy]

Also: If naval units simply don't work in these types of games, then what's the harm in adding them for the sake of variety?

[no nonsense guy]

Originally posted by |x|SiriuS|x|:

Originally posted by sups.gg | jaren the big memer:

Your answer only proves that you wish to preserve this game as is, and not progress into a greater more variety-centrist game.

So if I told you I wanted an airplane tech tree added to world of tanks would you tell me to go play War Thunder? No! that is not a valid excuse. There is always room for expansion of game-play.


Also, please list me these "tons of existing" simulators.

That is what you think.

It is more true to say that you want to turn the game into something it isn't.

It is beyond illogical to have naval units in this setting, except for maybe amphibious.

So while it is fair to want this or that in a game you like, maybe don't try to cram your wants down the throat of a game where this makes the least sense of all the weird suggestions?
Edit:Words, apologies

Also, how do YOU know what the game is or isn't when its still in EARLY ACCESS. Hmm? care to explain?

[Cryptic]

Originally posted by Nero:

Originally posted by sups.gg | jaren the big memer:

Also: If naval units simply don't work in these types of games, then what's the harm in adding them for the sake of variety?

wasting time and effort and ressources on a second gamemode that literally nobody play in RD...

There is Red Dragon, go play that. The navy in Supreme Commander is also quite nice. Go play that too. Leave WARNO alone with your "second gamemode" idea.

I agree. Focus on what's important for the game. What they have now is excellent.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by sups.gg | jaren the big memer:

Also, how do YOU know what the game is or isn't when its still in EARLY ACCESS. Hmm? care to explain?

Because the devs have already stated that the game is focused on the middle of Germany during the Cold War in the late 1980s and, that there is no ocean in that location and (you yourself stated) they previously wrote that they will not be adding naval vessels of any kind to WARNO.

[no nonsense guy]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by sups.gg | jaren the big memer:

Also, how do YOU know what the game is or isn't when its still in EARLY ACCESS. Hmm? care to explain?

Because the devs have already stated that the game is focused on the middle of Germany during the Cold War in the late 1980s and, that there is no ocean in that location and (you yourself stated) they previously wrote that they will not be adding naval vessels of any kind to WARNO.

Firstly, a game is defined by many things, not just what you have summed up all on their own. Also the post stated that you reference is as follows:

Originally posted by [EUG] MadMat:
That is not planned at the moment.

keyword "AT THE MOMENT"

things can change with time.

reference: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1611600/discussions/0/3192490350121912555/