West Germany

[born to shit forced to wipe]

Are we gonna pretend they're balanced? They have a ton of leopard tanks in their lineup and pretty cheap for their performance. Did anyone bother playing this deck (not against an AI) before release?

[Dr.Corpse]

theyre OP as fudge, even against AI. Enjoy it whilst it lasts, nerf hammer will land within hours from now.

[born to shit forced to wipe]

Originally posted by Dr.Corpse:

theyre OP as fudge, even against AI. Enjoy it whilst it lasts, nerf hammer will land within hours from now.

I don't care for blufor decks I just played them for the last hour to confirm but they are absolutely 100% OP.

[Radioshow]

lol thats funny, Bluefor is not OP, nor is the german division. In fact, most long time players agree PACT is slightly better, Germany has some decent units but NO ATGM besides the Marder and Jaguar. Jaguar is way to expensive and marders are good but situational, nothing like the BMP3. A good player/team will win with either side but Redfor has a small advantage.

[Radioshow]

Originally posted by Dr.Corpse:

theyre OP as fudge, even against AI. Enjoy it whilst it lasts, nerf hammer will land within hours from now.

It wont get nerfed nor would it happen in less than a week lol

[born to shit forced to wipe]

Originally posted by Radioshow:

lol thats funny, Bluefor is not OP, nor is the german division. In fact, most long time players agree PACT is slightly better, Germany has some decent units but NO ATGM besides the Marder and Jaguar. Jaguar is way to expensive and marders are good but situational, nothing like the BMP3. A good player/team will win with either side but Redfor has a small advantage.

What are you smoking pass some up G. West German armour without a doubt unless engaged at 2800 meters and we all know how often that is like 1 in 10,000 engagements. The East German tank lineup is absolutely pathetic even their top tier tank is just average they have no distinguishing units or gameplay they have an ALRIGHT infantry setup but extremely weak armour very weak AA compared to the West German ALRIGHT infantry setup OP armour and extremely OP AA I mean ROLAND with 12 missiles and 95% accuracy? What the unironic ♥♥♥♥.

Yeah nah I don't think this floats.

[Kamikaze Velociraptor]

I enjoy the cheap tanks. Spamming six Leopard1A1 to go against T-80s are fun.

[born to shit forced to wipe]

Its only fun because the T80 is outnumbered and outclassed

[BlackFoxSamaki]

IMO East German panzer division just needs more numbers on its tanks.

[born to shit forced to wipe]

Originally posted by BlackFoxSamaki:

IMO East German panzer division just needs more numbers on its tanks.

A lot more numbers and a lot more ATGM if we're gonna give west germany 600 leotards.

[weird fj from beyond]

Are you talking 1v1 or team games? 1v1 Both German divisions are alright, not amazing because they have weaknesses.

5th Panzer has pretty bad armored recon, fuchs, only useful for fighting other infantry. Bad armored recon means very weak early land grab. They have strong 11 man recon team though which is still useful for occupying forward buildings. Leopard 2a3 is probably the best tank in the game in terms of pure stats and availability, don't think it's broken because it's still also expensive. Their helicopter tab is absolutely terrible, helo with only an ATGM that has 2600 range is almost not worth taking, they can make up for it with good options on their air tab. Their AA though is actually too accurate. Mortar is also currently bugged, so it's not usable for now.

East Germans have amazing infantry tab but tank tab is comically weak, outranged and outgunned. Means you have to constantly find ambush scenarios for them, cant ever take a straight up fight. Trying to zerg your opponent with lots of tanks is also very cost inefficient. Prob the first division in the game that's strongly dependent on artillery for pushing, since smoke barraging or at the very least stunning is the safest way to get your tanks to close the distance to be in effective range.

[BlackFoxSamaki]

Originally posted by Patient #1098:

Are you talking 1v1 or team games? 1v1 Both German divisions are alright, not amazing because they have weaknesses.

5th Panzer has pretty bad armored recon, fuchs, only useful for fighting other infantry. Bad armored recon means very weak early land grab. They have strong 11 man recon team though which is still useful for occupying forward buildings. Leopard 2a3 is probably the best tank in the game in terms of pure stats and availability, don't think it's broken because it's still also expensive. Their helicopter tab is absolutely terrible, helo with only an ATGM that has 2600 range is almost not worth taking, they can make up for it with good options on their air tab. Their AA though is actually too accurate. Mortar is also currently bugged, so it's not usable for now.

East Germans have amazing infantry tab but tank tab is comically weak, outranged and outgunned. Means you have to constantly find ambush scenarios for them, cant ever take a straight up fight. Trying to zerg your opponent with lots of tanks is also very cost inefficient. Prob the first division in the game that's strongly dependent on artillery for pushing, since smoke barraging or at the very least stunning is the safest way to get your tanks to close the distance to be in effective range.

I think 7th Panzer needs far more availability on its tanks. T-55 and old T-72 are going to get smoked in any sort of straight up fight with modern tanks which is fine, but if you're stuck with old out of date stuff you should at least get tons of it.

[perl]

Yeah I think 7th panzer needs buffs to their number of cards / tank quantities

[Dwarf Floyd]

I have to disagree to a nerv. Why:" Alle Tanks but the Leopard 2a3 were not very effective! The are as above said, good in an ambush, but in a Tank battle iniffecient. They get shot and destroyed imedietly. Nerf the Leopard would mean, that West Germany has no good tanks at all. The Jaguar has the problem, that its outranged by russian tanks, since they have rockets too and get destroyed with one hit.
So you have to rely on the Panzergrenadiers, that are the backbourne of the army and cxombine them with tanks, for a strategic done push through.

[Radioshow]

Originally posted by Imperial City GRU:

Originally posted by Radioshow:

lol thats funny, Bluefor is not OP, nor is the german division. In fact, most long time players agree PACT is slightly better, Germany has some decent units but NO ATGM besides the Marder and Jaguar. Jaguar is way to expensive and marders are good but situational, nothing like the BMP3. A good player/team will win with either side but Redfor has a small advantage.

What are you smoking pass some up G. West German armour without a doubt unless engaged at 2800 meters and we all know how often that is like 1 in 10,000 engagements. The East German tank lineup is absolutely pathetic even their top tier tank is just average they have no distinguishing units or gameplay they have an ALRIGHT infantry setup but extremely weak armour very weak AA compared to the West German ALRIGHT infantry setup OP armour and extremely OP AA I mean ROLAND with 12 missiles and 95% accuracy? What the unironic ♥♥♥♥.

Yeah nah I don't think this floats.

USSR inf and armoured decks have no problem with it. Not all decks are comparable or even. And no towed or crew served weapons yet....2A3's are decent but killable and they dont have much fire support.

[ZHS-Khetsin[武]]

W-Germany mortars can not fire until now, need to be fixed