Lily May always a Bad Ending

[New Londoner]

This girl no matter what i do for her she is never happy.
In the end she wants to break down the walls I built for the Stallwarts and Pilgrims and will hunt for food with her mother like a criminal. The other time gonna be something different and again and again a bad ending.
I remind you that my City does NOT have a problem with food. I have full stories for everyone yet she is going to hunt for food with her mother and she looks like criminal.

Also i notice that the Captain's path is always for her a problem. Why?
What's her problem with Captain and not as Steward? Did i not provide EVERYTHING for the City as Captain or what? Besides a don't have any Radical idea but only a Lunatic Asulum.
I don't know but this doesn't sound fair at all to me.
This girl have serious political problem just with you no matter if your City is fine.


Lily May.
Born 5 May of 1916.
Week 17 Day 7.

Τhe moment I always turn on the eternal Generator again.

[BenTheVaporeon]

was their a "proper" set of ending conditions for the order and faith paths in terms of the new london you take over here
i say that as someone how never picked the final law in the path

[mcj87]

Try appeasing every faction and - even when civil war eventually breaks out anyway - to only negotiate for peace and staying democratic towards the council instead of going the totalitarian route becoming Captain. That means not signing any "Rule"-laws, no condemning or siding with any faction, no executions or banishments ... treat your citizens like they all have a right to stay with all their beliefs and wishes and that you actually fulfill the protesters' demands as well as you can when they come up.
It might feel frustrating, enraging or even impossible at times ... but in the end your people will thank you for your effort in doing it the hard way by employing patience and understanding instead of the easy way of rage and violence - just like in real life. Like when kids will look at you in the future depending on how you treated them whenever they got a tantrum.

[fixius01]

引用自 Quill：

引用自 New Londoner：

Excuse me but wasn't that what the Stallwarts :stallwarts: and FaithKeepers :faithkeepers: supported all these years while the Captain was alive? Stallwarts were Captain's dogs and Faith Keepers at the end started to worship him as ''New Faith'' It's like they say:
"The Captain was One and only One and since he died we don't accept a New Captain".
Ok fine. I suppose their Democratic way automatically cancels also their purpose of what they had. Ιt's so contradictory.

Well, let's consider a scenario where you've got Stalwarts and Pilgrims. You support the Pilgrims and eventually declare yourself Captain, and decide to lock only the Stalwarts away;

To the Stalwarts who supported the old Captain, they get to watch as you, the Steward, constantly show support for a group of nutjobs that will doom the future of humanity. They get the endure constant rejections from you, as their ideas are tossed away for things they would consider insane. And then, when they've finally had enough, watch as the entire city agrees to hand over every inch of freedom and power to you, and collectively turn against them, throwing them behind the walls of a district like caged animals.

Whereas, on the opposite side, where you support the stalwarts and lock away the pilgrims;

The stalwarts get to enjoy constant support from the you, the Steward, they see you as being the man on the right path, and will happily support your ascent to power since you both are so closely aligned. They will see you as clamping down on dangerous dissent, and disregarding lunacy.

As for what the Faithkeeps and Stalwarts agreed too. It seems heavily implied that things in the city went no further than the very earliest of the purpose laws. (We have to research prisons and guard towers. For example. And there seems to be no mention of steam boiling executions).

When you as the Captain first arrived in Frostpunk, you weren't a dictator that stole power from the people. Instead, you were the leader of an expedition. And the people who later became faithkeepers/stalwarts looked to you for guidance. In the case of Frostpunk 2, the Faithkeepers and Stalwarts would have spend a long period of time enjoying the freedoms the city provided through 'democracy' before you potentially rip it away by becoming the Captain.

In other words, they accept the new status quo of democracy, but if they believe you support them wholeheartedly, will happily reinstate you as the Captain to support their aims.

I don't know if its still cannon but the short stories before the games release saw us from a young boys perspective of new London going the full order route, as the cannon path.

[kmoyst]

I got a good one. She's a scout, revers the Steward. Full of dreams for the future.

[New Londoner]

引用自 kmoyst：

I got a good one. She's a scout, revers the Steward. Full of dreams for the future.

Yeah but this if you don't choose the Captain's path. I really don't wanna go with peace. I would like to not change any of my laws or put buildings that any faction want. (note that they want buildings which need steam cores) I still found the Captain's path unfair even if i can understand what others have wrote about the Democratic political rule.

[Blanch Warren]

My man Caesar was not a king.

[Mk_C]

The game wants you to know that totalitarianism bad because little girl sad.

[fixius01]

i like democracy until you try to burn my city into the ground.

[Dealer]

As I once said "The lily may endings vary from mild discomfort (stalwarts banished) through child abuse (evolvers banished) to what the geniuine **** (faithkeepers banished)"

[New Londoner]

引用自 Mk_C：

The game wants you to know that totalitarianism bad because little girl sad.

Ok fine i get it. All other regimes must be bad except of what we call parliamentary, presidential democracy based on Steward's and the Council rules. But out there are various types of democracy also:

-People's democracy (Equality)
-Reigning democracy (Tradition)
-Socialist democracy (Progress)
-Bourgeois democracy (Merit)
-Federal democracy

So i became a Captain and had to be so bad. Why? Because they call it totalitarism even if i rule the city based of Merit for example without totalitarian radical laws. Is that the problem of the people or Lily's May? Fine.
Still UNFAIR.

[Quill]

引用自 New Londoner：

引用自 Mk_C：

The game wants you to know that totalitarianism bad because little girl sad.

Ok fine i get it. All other regimes must be bad except of what we call parliamentary, presidential democracy based on Steward's and the Council rules. But out there are various types of democracy also:

-People's democracy (Equality)
-Reigning democracy (Tradition)
-Socialist democracy (Progress)
-Bourgeois democracy (Merit)
-Federal democracy

So i became a Captain and had to be so bad. Why? Because they call it totalitarism even if i rule the city based of Merit for example without totalitarian radical laws. Is that the problem of the people or Lily's May? Fine.
Still UNFAIR.

The main problem is that you've set New London back to the start. After all. What's going to happen when you're gone? Will New London just end up going down the same problematic path?

Becoming the Captain doesn't "fix" anything. It's putting a plaster on a leak, rather than replacing the pipe. Plus, consider the steps you took to become the Captain; giving yourself the power to guide votes, enact martial law, forming a secret police that vanishes people, and so on.

[New Londoner]

引用自 Quill：

The main problem is that you've set New London back to the start. After all. What's going to happen when you're gone? Will New London just end up going down the same problematic path?

Becoming the Captain doesn't "fix" anything. It's putting a plaster on a leak, rather than replacing the pipe. Plus, consider the steps you took to become the Captain; giving yourself the power to guide votes, enact martial law, forming a secret police that vanishes people, and so on.

However every democratic country has its own Secret Police or secret services. These services protect the state from external and internal enemies. Just as every democratic country the goverment have the right to apply Martial Law at any time in extremely critical moments in order to avoid chaos and anarchy. In the time of corona virus didn't they just locked us all inside to our homes?
As for the Bureau of Propaganda. Just we open the TV news to watch it every day, it's there all the time. I mean these are nothing radical that any democratic country have.

[HardNRG]

引用自 New Londoner：

引用自 Magni：

Reconciliation and no deaths in the civil war. That's your good ending.


"But at least the trains ran on time"-style stanning for dictators is cringe.

Ohhh is it so?
Ask the European Union about ''democracy'' when their Bureau of Propaganda-Censorship center is bigger than that of Νew London.

Lol what.

[fixius01]

引用自 HardNRG：

引用自 New Londoner：

Ohhh is it so?
Ask the European Union about ''democracy'' when their Bureau of Propaganda-Censorship center is bigger than that of Νew London.

Lol what.

???????????
context?

[New Londoner]

引用自 fixius01：

引用自 HardNRG：

Lol what.

???????????
context?

My comment was in criticism of the supposed ''dictatorship''. And my response was that we live in a democratic continent (EU) where in reality everything is socially and censoriously controlled by the Bureau Propaganda Center in Brussels.