"Random" Utopia Resource maps Not Random?? Help!

[Airatome]

The following 4 of the 7 Utopia Builder maps: Windswept Peaks, Fractured Gorge, Broken Shore, and Horizon
All state that there are "Randomised Resources and Frostland" , as well whatever else may be unique to that particular map (Geothermal, Forests and oil but no iron/prefabs, etc). But unless there's currently a bug or starting a new utopia game on the same map doesn't actually reset the 'Random' seed.... I'm actually getting the VERY same static resources and locations across 10 restart trials on all 4 of these maps.

So am I missing something..... what changes the random seed that's supposed to vary the starting resources that populate on a map?

To be clear, I haven't checked the Frostland to see if that has been appropriately randomized like it says it should be across different games on the same map. I'm strictly talking about starting resource nodes.

Surely the tooltip for these 4 maps that says there's randomized "Resources AND Frostland" doesn't mean the resources IN the Frostland, or they wouldn't use AND to differentiate, yes?

I am trying to do this as a test of the random resource generator for my review that I want to leave after having completed my first story mode and checking out Utopia mode. But I'm failing to get ANY kind of random results on any of these 4 maps. Help?

[Airatome]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3337123089

Screenshot of an opening save state for Utopia Builder game 2 on the Broken Shore

VS

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3337123326

Screenshot of an opening save state for Utopia Builder game #7 (after starting on other maps and playing a bit of story mode in between).

There's absolutely no variation here.... anyone know what might be happening to get static set ups on what's supposed to be randomly seeded maps?

[Commodus]

The randomness means you could end up getting completely useless resources lol

Geothermal wells have no use when spawned at the fuel colony:P

[Airatome]

Originally posted by Commodus:

The randomness means you could end up getting completely useless resources lol

Geothermal wells have no use when spawned at the fuel colony:P

This would be an improvement over what's happening across all the test games I've run where in I get the VERY SAME resource spread, in the same locations, every time. Like clockwork. I'm not finding ANY variation no matter how many games I start on any of the 4 random maps. So if you've been able to get a geothermal spot to randomly appear at the oil colony, I haven't been able to. It's always consistent no matter what and I'm trying to figure out why.

[HardNRG]

Originally posted by Commodus:

The randomness means you could end up getting completely useless resources lol

Geothermal wells have no use when spawned at the fuel colony:P

The fuel colony can use the geothermals too unless I am mistaken.

[xfor]

I noticed that, too, but I only loaded one map multiple times. The resources changed however with the difficulty setting.

[WebMonkey]

I'm noticing I'm running out of prefabs way too soon. You can't find them in the Frostlands, so I guess ya gotta build them yourself in your Industrial districts. :(

[Airatome]

Originally posted by xfor:

I noticed that, too, but I only loaded one map multiple times. The resources changed however with the difficulty setting.

Are you able to elaborate on this. Are they different but also static within those individual difficulty settings? And how are they different. Less of them? Less within them? Different altogether ?

Also, thank you for actually addressing the topic of this thread and answering the point of all this. Not here to talk about geothermals on an oil map or prefab shortages lol

[[TAG]Alblaka]

I interpreted the line as "randomized ressources IN the frostland". I've never seen it actually change the city map layout (and usually I had to reroll my utopia runs a few times until I got the correct community for my intended run).

[Airatome]

Originally posted by TAGAlblaka:

I interpreted the line as "randomized ressources IN the frostland". I've never seen it actually change the city map layout (and usually I had to reroll my utopia runs a few times until I got the correct community for my intended run).

See, this is what I was afraid of. Currently the tool tip directly differentiates by use of "AND"

It says "Randomised resources AND Frostland" , which is misleading if what they actually meant was "Randomized resources IN the Frostland". Which is boring because then there's going to be an optimal way to play each of those maps which I was hoping to avoid. The random Frostlands does help a bit but that's just not quite the same. I'm currently trying to do a run on the shore that doesn't involve going out into the Frostlands at all so I was curious.

[brooklyncontrivance]

Random resources on those maps DO change. Not what type, or how many, but where exactly they spawn.

[Airatome]

Originally posted by brooklyncontrivance:

Random resources on those maps DO change. Not what type, or how many, but where exactly they spawn.

Have you been able to get screenshots of this working? Because as you'll see above.... I have shown 2 different screenshots, two of my 10 new games on the Broken Shore map and everything is precise. Static. The same.
This occured across all 10 games.
Across each of the 4 maps listed above.

I am not finding ANY variance whatsoever and I still haven't been able to get anything to change on any of the maps. So either something isn't triggering the randomness on my end or something is wrong because right now my results are showing a quantifiable pattern of no randomization.

[brooklyncontrivance]

Originally posted by Airatome:

Originally posted by brooklyncontrivance:

Random resources on those maps DO change. Not what type, or how many, but where exactly they spawn.

Have you been able to get screenshots of this working? Because as you'll see above.... I have shown 2 different screenshots, two of my 10 new games on the Broken Shore map and everything is precise. Static. The same.
This occured across all 10 games.
Across each of the 4 maps listed above.

I am not finding ANY variance whatsoever and I still haven't been able to get anything to change on any of the maps. So either something isn't triggering the randomness on my end or something is wrong because right now my results are showing a quantifiable pattern of no randomization.

No, I haven't bothered since it is, indeed, working for me. However, I've seen someone else post exactly what you're asking for within the past 24 hours. Sorry I don't recall which thread, but feel free to look for it.

{EDIT: Found it. And it's not only in a thread you posted to, it's in reply to you. Did you just completely miss it or are you trolling?]
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1601580/discussions/0/4851029693344102323/

[Airatome]

Originally posted by brooklyncontrivance:

Originally posted by Airatome:

Have you been able to get screenshots of this working? Because as you'll see above.... I have shown 2 different screenshots, two of my 10 new games on the Broken Shore map and everything is precise. Static. The same.
This occured across all 10 games.
Across each of the 4 maps listed above.

I am not finding ANY variance whatsoever and I still haven't been able to get anything to change on any of the maps. So either something isn't triggering the randomness on my end or something is wrong because right now my results are showing a quantifiable pattern of no randomization.

No, I haven't bothered since it is, indeed, working for me. However, I've seen someone else post exactly what you're asking for within the past 24 hours. Sorry I don't recall which thread, but feel free to look for it.

{EDIT: Found it. And it's not only in a thread you posted to, it's in reply to you. Did you just completely miss it or are you trolling?]
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1601580/discussions/0/4851029693344102323/

Oh wow thank you! I did, indeed miss this reply. Steam isn't the best at tracking replies etc unless I'm missing a fetaure or toggle somewhere. Thank you for pointing this out! I am glad it's working on your end, at least.

Can I ask what difficulty you're playing on? All of my attemped trials at getting different resources have been on the easiest difficulty. Maybe on easy mode they give you the best possible outcome in static locations?