Heat stamps?

[Ikit Claw]

Loving the game but the heat stamps are always getting in the away and don't really make sense.
I'm over here trying to keep everyone alive but I don't have the money, these people care more about their money than not freezing to death. Then they get mad at me for not helping them?
Feel like letting them die if they wanna be like that lol

[HardNRG]

Then let them die. :d You can do that.

[NzFox]

i often raise money and then make a generic promise or give them an agenda to appease a faction, but the REAL money maker is having state run alcohol shops, sure some people will become dependant but that is why you build a couple of hospitals

[Kirioz]

Originally posted by Ikit Claw:

people care more about their money than not freezing to death

Like real life

[Eltoron]

Totally ok. This is how it work in large community. It's hard to force struggling people make something for free. They usually prefer to care about own business and let "some other fools to sacrifice". If the society if highly united with a high credit of trust to the leaders it can happen. But not forever. And this is realised in game. You can ask factions for a free help (in form of heat stamps). But if you abuse their trust they stops to cooperate.

[NzFox]

Originally posted by Kirioz:

Originally posted by Ikit Claw:

people care more about their money than not freezing to death

Like real life

this is accurate on a lot of levels, but specifically in game they have been living like this for more than 30 years, you can't keep the same level of 'follow me or we may instantly die' intensity for that long, it just becomes the norm after a while

[Neonwarrior]

The idea of heatstamps falls apart when you realize that heat is something you can't really monetize. What exactly does one use a heatstamp for, aside from bartering? Does the generator have a slot you insert a heatstamp into to get a warm blast of air to the face? The generator is already providing heat free of charge, distributed throughout the city via steam hub networks. You would think if people wanted to be warm that they would simply stand closer to the generator or go inside and burn some wood in their fireplace (but why would you, you live next to a steam hub which runs perpetually).

[Anonymous2013]

It actually makes sense if you think about it a bit. Even inmates have a form of currency in prisons, so nothing you get is free.

Lore-wise in Frostpunk people have used their valuables to trade in for things like rations or other stuff essential for survival. In Frostpunk, it was about survival, so I guess if you worked you were compensated with rations and if you were unemployed you got less. Even Amputees were given half rations.
So after 30 years, some kind of currency was formed probably out of necessity since if people needed something they would have likely traded jewelry or trinkets for... well, anything.

So you need to pay the workers for their efforts which in turn lets them feed their families, even though as citizens of your city they likely get some basic rations that prevents them from starving (like gruel or soup rather than full meals). Or they get a small allowance from the city once a week that they need to ration.

I admit, I didn't have funds for anything but I found out you can fix that with laws (like Mass Production and Taxes for basic necessities) and manufacturing goods (you need like one factory district in the beginning dedicated to making goods). Later on you can be crazy rich and just splurge on bribes, buildings, and upgrades.

[nine_headed]

Originally posted by Ikit Claw:

Loving the game but the heat stamps are always getting in the away and don't really make sense.
I'm over here trying to keep everyone alive but I don't have the money, these people care more about their money than not freezing to death. Then they get mad at me for not helping them?
Feel like letting them die if they wanna be like that lol

Enjoy your warm blanket

[NzFox]

Originally posted by Neonwarrior:

The idea of heatstamps falls apart when you realize that heat is something you can't really monetize. .

it is an odd name and I thought at first they would be a functional resource that you spent to warm people, but its just the in universe name for the currency, maybe they are stamped with a picture of the generator or something.

[[TAG]Alblaka]

Originally posted by Neonwarrior:

The idea of heatstamps falls apart when you realize that heat is something you can't really monetize. What exactly does one use a heatstamp for, aside from bartering? Does the generator have a slot you insert a heatstamp into to get a warm blast of air to the face? The generator is already providing heat free of charge, distributed throughout the city via steam hub networks. You would think if people wanted to be warm that they would simply stand closer to the generator or go inside and burn some wood in their fireplace (but why would you, you live next to a steam hub which runs perpetually).

Nah it makes sense in-lore. It started out as a coupon for your daily ration of heat (presumably something like 1 lamp worth) and, the same way fiat currency exists today, established itself enough to become 'universally' accepted currency. Keep in mind heatstamps are explicitly only used in New London. All other factions don't seem to use them, as trades are always bartering and even the Wanderers specifically use scraps as a currency instead.

A random thing that is available in reasonably frequency and initially having a desirable value becoming a localized currency is pretty standard.

[Neonwarrior]

Originally posted by NzFox:

Originally posted by Neonwarrior:

The idea of heatstamps falls apart when you realize that heat is something you can't really monetize. .

it is an odd name and I thought at first they would be a functional resource that you spent to warm people, but its just the in universe name for the currency, maybe they are stamped with a picture of the generator or something.

We're both right. I just booted up the game and looked at the right-click info and it says that it was once a literal stamp redeemable for a fixed amount of heat but has since become a universal currency. I still have no idea when, though, since the game starts right when the old Captain dies and he never implemented any kind of heat currency in the first game.

[HardNRG]

Originally posted by Neonwarrior:

Originally posted by NzFox:

it is an odd name and I thought at first they would be a functional resource that you spent to warm people, but its just the in universe name for the currency, maybe they are stamped with a picture of the generator or something.

We're both right. I just booted up the game and looked at the right-click info and it says that it was once a literal stamp redeemable for a fixed amount of heat but has since become a universal currency. I still have no idea when, though, since the game starts right when the old Captain dies and he never implemented any kind of heat currency in the first game.

It's been 30 years. Yes, we don't know when (maybe some DLC or other lore stuff will explain it to us at some point), but we do know that's a long time and it happened somewhere during that time, long after we stopped affecting the world playing FP1. The Captain could of done god knows what stuff without our heavenly guidance.

[knossos]

In theory the realistic thing to do would have been that the Steward can print heatstamps but it causes inflation, but it would have been harder to model, so it's a good compromise to do it like it's done.