Sooo... whats the point of going OIl instead of Adaptive?

[Lucian]

At first playthrough I went full Oil since the game kinda implies its a great choice, but then I've tried adaptive generator aaaand... What is that huge advantage of Oil over ability to burn coal, oil and use steam altogether? Pair it with infinite coal from settlements and I really don't see any reason to go Oil.

[Boogeyman]

It's more efficient. Coal can be turned into oil. Steam is so useless you don't want it even if you do go adaptive.

[Grimtar]

Like Boogeyman said, the efficiency rate for oil to heat if you go progress is huge, you can get insane amounts of heat from even a single pyrochemical oil extractor. And converting endless coal into endless oil makes it even better.

I don't agree that steam is useless however, it's the most squalor friendly fuel source. In my last adaptive playthrough on Steward, I played on the map with 3 geothermal, and I never touched oil or coal except during the like -150c whiteouts, just to cover the gaps. All while producing no squalor and only a little disease (which is far easier to handle than squalor imo).

[Airatome]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Grimtar:

I don't agree that steam is useless however, it's the most squalor friendly fuel source. In my last adaptive playthrough on Steward, I played on the map with 3 geothermal, and I never touched oil or coal except during the like -150c whiteouts, just to cover the gaps. All while producing no squalor and only a little disease (which is far easier to handle than squalor imo).

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1601580/discussions/0/4851029895192476188/

Can confirm that steam, with the Adaptive Engine II and later on III upgrade is insanely good on the right maps. My 3 steam extractors currently say Im going to run out of steam in....
83,000 weeks.
I just need to make it to 2,000 for this run to end itself with the Endless Mode unlock available.

I haven't had to touch coal except to stabilize while I got my steam up amd running, and not a single drop of oil has entered my city. It can currently survive whiteouts indefinitely. But situations are always changing so we'll see if I can sustain this into the later weeks or not.
I just found an infinite food colony that also has steam vents so I might check that out once I'm ready.

[Kazeck]

Steam is quite nice when you can use it, I do wish progress had a way to make use of steam either a way to turn it into oil via a geo-thermal fracking plant, or a way to use it for producing industrial products or something.

Given Squalor is such a concern for progress, a way to use geo-thermal sites for producing hot water for bathing and cleaning purposes could be a cool way to use it alternatively for progress. Or a building/district to use them for automaton fueling to gain manpower.

[RNGesus]

Apologies for hijacking the thread, but I cant seem to find an answer anywhere else...but of you research Oil Pumps for the generator upgrade I, but dont build one...will you later get the other options in that part of the Idea Tree? I've been playing on endless mode for a while, and the alternatives aren't popping up.

[Ridesdragons]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kazeck:

Steam is quite nice when you can use it, I do wish progress had a way to make use of steam either a way to turn it into oil via a geo-thermal fracking plant, or a way to use it for producing industrial products or something.

Given Squalor is such a concern for progress, a way to use geo-thermal sites for producing hot water for bathing and cleaning purposes could be a cool way to use it alternatively for progress. Or a building/district to use them for automaton fueling to gain manpower.

honestly, it wouldn't even be odd to make use of geothermal even if you go progress. geothermal just produces steam, yea? and what's the generator? a steam engine. you don't pump steam into the generator to make steam, you just make use of what's already there. what's stopping them from pumping the steam from the geothermal plants directly into the pipes all around the city?

Ursprungligen skrivet av RNGesus:

Apologies for hijacking the thread, but I cant seem to find an answer anywhere else...but of you research Oil Pumps for the generator upgrade I, but dont build one...will you later get the other options in that part of the Idea Tree? I've been playing on endless mode for a while, and the alternatives aren't popping up.

no, once you research the T1 upgrade, you've locked in your path. if you didn't want oil pumps, you shouldn't have researched it. sorry, m8, no double-dipping here. if it was your only option at the time, I get that, the T1 genny tech requires a community or faction around that is either adaptive or progressive to appear, so it's likely you'll have runs where you only have 1 (or even 0) communities that lie on that zeitgeist, and so you'll have to wait for factions to spawn.