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If we're talking purely QoL stuff, then DLC 1 trumps all the other DLCs for giving you a telephone. It not only allows you to talk to and invite anybody at home, but also commission and purchase items in bulk. So instead of having to run around everywhere to do stuff, you can do it all in one go from the comfort of your living room! No other item in any of the DLCs will save you as much in game and IRL time as the phone.
DLC 2 is a strong second because it gives you an item that allows you to see everyone's budget with the sole exception of one character and an item that's essentially a get out of jail free card. (Prevents one mistake from breaking your combo and the ensuing punishment card.) It also nets you the super frying pan that automatically cooks a meal exactly to your specification constantly without using up any ingredients. And as a cherry on top: It has the most expensive dish in the game.
DLC 3 has the super grill which is alright, the slot machine is more for fun than function. DLC 4's super steamer outright invalidates any other steamer, but the fishing rod is nearly purely cosmetic. DLC 5's items are super gimmicky, though the super cutting board and steamer-boiler is neat I guess. The quest rewards are incredibly busted though, ranging from giving you up to three infinite ingredients of your choice that you can change at any time, to allowing you to create your own custom night. (Shorter/longer shift, set which customers arrive at exactly which time.)
Though that being said, DLC 5's items are designed with the intent that you've already beaten all the other ones so they're basically cheat codes. Y'know, how like in old games they give you super busted items for 100%ing the game.
Partners:
DLC 1's theme is all about cheap knock offs. It gives you budget Sakuya who isn't as fast as the real Sakuya, but she's cheaper. Continuing this trend is budget Youmu who works for free and can instantly prepare meals. However, she's slow as molasses and has a 15% chance of screwing up by creating dark matter instead. Though the cost of wasted ingredients is more than offset by the fact she doesn't charge a single dime for labor.
DLC 2's theme is crowd control where not only does give you the ability to pay to boost the speed of your partners, it also grants certain characters buffs. Like one of them will just sleep on the job, but they instantly teleport guests to their tables. With the boost, they'll actually do their bloody job albeit rather slowly. Hey, there's a reason why she's free.
The other one allows you to kick out normal guests with no penalty at all (Aside from lost business that is.) which is great when you're trying to grind out social links but they show up 5 minutes before closing with a massive crowd in front of them. They're a decent worker in their own right, which is why they charge a modest fee.
DLC 3's theme is teamwork...bit of a stretch but work with me here. One of them is slower than Mima's return to the core series, but gets faster the more dark matter they consume. (Up to 200%.) This does require you to screw up on purpose to power her up...orrrrr you can combo her with budget Youmu which creates a powerful synergy: Every time budget Youmu screws up, it powers up her partner. And wouldn't ya know it, they both work for free. perhaps they were moderators in a former life.
The other one is technically a solo act in that she doesn't need a different partner from a different DLC to work well. Instead, she summons a helper to assist her in whatever it is. With no real glaring flaws, naturally labor isn't free but hey she's decent.
DLC 4's partners don't really have a theme. I guess they're gimmicky? One of them can do three jobs at once, though their efficiency isn't the best. It can be improved with one of the DLC 4's character spellcard though so there's that. They're not cheap, but they're not expensive either. (7% of total revenue.)
The other one requires some timing to get the most out of her: Every 30 seconds, she will enchant the customers for 15 seconds. Normal guests will like food tagged as Expensive and regain budget equivalent to whatever they ordered. Meanwhile rare guests will treat whatever you prepared for them as if you were using the Night Sparrow cookware. i.e you can ignore whatever specific tag they requested and just hand them what they like. Even without that gimmick, she's fast on her feet and inexpensive so she's not a bad choice.
DLC 5 continues the trend of having no theme, just gimmicks: One of them is a fusion of DLC 1 and 3's partners. They power up faster the more the customer likes the dish and the chance of having ingredients refunded gets boosted as well. This effect only happens when their chef tho, otherwise they're dead weight. The other one prevents normal guests from arriving while in Hyper Mode and instead pretty much invites all the named characters to your restaurant. Technically, one of the items in this DLC does the exact same thing but it's worse because it only allows rare guests out of that area to show up. In certain areas, that means only three people will show up so...
IMO: The base game partners are good enough you don't really need any of the DLC ones. The only ones that offer something the base ones can't is DLC 2 and 5's.
Special Guests:
DLC 1's so terrible they had to implement a workaround for it. The "reward" you get for satisfying them is that she'll force EVERYONE to buy the most expensive dish and drink. Meaning that getting spell cards and fulfilling quests becomes borderline impossible if their spell card is in effect. You can technically just ignore her, but you have to deal with one less table until the end of the night. When you eventually unlock her and she starts popping up everywhere, keep some fried tofu on standby if you don't want to deal with her BS. Irregardless of whatever she requested, this will force a good but not perfect rating from her.
DLC 2's special guest also pops up everywhere, but unlike the former you actually want her around. She makes everything go by much faster by setting all cooldowns to 0. She does have a gimmick where she absolutely reviles a certain dish and will give you a punishment spellcard no matter what other effect is in place that would otherwise net a perfect rating. That being said, it's really easy to avoid and it's obvious what you shouldn't give her.
DLC 3 will either be a wet fart, the biggest payday of your life, or a never ending nightmare. Her gimmick is that she'll duplicate whatever rare guest is currently waiting in line and she can do this multiple times. It's fine when those guests have low budgets, but if they're high rollers... hoooooooooooooooooo booooooooooooooooyyy you're gonna be there for a while.
DLC 4 is like 3's but MUCH better balanced. She does spawn a flood of customers and prevents the restaurant from closing until all of them are gone, but she powers up Sakuya to LUDICROUS SPEED and the guests she spawns have relatively modest budgets. You know what to expect when she shows up and can prepare accordingly. Her consistency is much appreciated compared to the roulette wheel that is DLC 3's special guest.
DLC 5's is unexceptional by herself, but pair her effect with other cards and thoroughly obliterate the game's kneecaps. All she does is make buffs that last for 44 seconds+ be permanent until the night ends. Certain OP cards have a duration of only 43 seconds to prevent them from lasting forever, but you can circumvent this one of DLC 3's spell cards that boosts the duration of all spell cards. Have fun cooking meals instantly, for free, and everyone gives it a perfect score even though they by all rights should absolutely abhor it!
Plot:
DLC 2-4 are just "filler" arcs. (Though this game is more or less a slice of life story so could there really be such a thing as filler?) 2 n' 3's the most self contained IMO, which is fine in 2 but can be a lil' confusing in 3 if a certain choice is made. It's really minor in the grand scheme of things and it's not completely OOC, but if you're playing the DLCs in order Mystia's character progression seems to regress a tad depending on what you choose. Very minor and honestly, probably overthinking it.
DLC 1 serves as an epilogue for the base game's plot, tying loose ends here n' there. It's been retranslated since I've last played it so maybe they explain it better, but there is a detail that comes straight out of a 2000s edgy teen's first darkfic. At least, it sounds that way if you have zero context for the game DLC 1 is based off of. (ULTRAKILL Sunken Fossil World.)
5 serves as a finale that wraps everything up with a neat lil' bow. You can technically play this without playing DLC 1 as the game's script does accommodate for that, but you do miss out on some dialogue n' continuity. I think it's possibly the most wordiest of all the DLCs.
Gameplay:
All gameplay changes are reserved strictly for the boss of that DLC.
DLC 1 is the base game's boss but on steroids. It takes meta strategies that work well in the base game and turns them on their heads. The fight is essentially defusing a time bomb with gourmet meals.
DLC 2 is Help Me Remember, Satori-Sama! now with a cooking minigame strapped to it. It's... fine. Okay, I didn't like it and I think it's the worst boss fight in the game. I'm even including DLC 2.5 which technically doesn't even have bosses. Honestly, my major gripe with it is that it's called Bizarre Cooking so I was expecting something, y'know, zany n' weird. Not something that required constant rechecking of the notebook and process of elimination. If it was called something like, iunno, "Guess that Meal!!!" I wouldn't have been nearly as disappointed and come away from it thinking it was a cute way to spice up the gameplay.
DLC 3 offers you a choice between a music contest or a cooking competition. If you gone through DLC 2.5 (AKA the rhythm game DLC.) and beat it, the music contest is an absolute joke. Though it's an appropriate challenge if you haven't touched 2.5.
The cooking competition is the closest thing you'll get to PvP in this game and man is it a blast. Not only do you face off against the rare guests of that DLC, but you also can play as the partner characters! They have their own gimmicks which hard counter and vice versa the rare guests' own unique abilities. It's fun figuring out the best way to game the system and screw over your new found friends in the scrubbiest, munchkin, gremlin way possible.
I personally think 3 has the best gameplay that's solely centered around the core mechanics of the base game.
HOWEVER.
While yes, DLC 4 is just a PvZ clone, it's a darn good one. No, you don't need to worry about getting 6 Pooled it's not that kind of PvZ. It's Plants VS Zombies, now with cooking. You can start the finale with only three characters and you'll skate by, but you're gonna need all 6 if you want to tackle Lunatic difficulty. It's challenge is only equaled by the satisfaction gained upon completion I'd say.
My only complaints is that readability goes out the window during the latter stages of the fight, what with all the special effects firing off. The enemies all being clones of each other doesn't help either, but they've tried their best given the restrictions.
Having to do meal prep while also trying to hold off waves of foes and maintaining your defenses makes for a very fun n' frantic experience.
DLC 5 is a pure knowledge check, but centered around on fluff rather than crunch. You have to sniff out who's the pretender by observing closely on not only what they order, but what they say as well. mystia, have you ever heard of "we're wolves"/"are you a human?" The only guests that show up are from the base game, which is both good and bad news. Good news, they're the ones you're most likely the most familiar with. The bad news is you might be more familiar with their old dialogue than their new retranslated version.
With that said, the discrepancies are blatant enough that even with text changes, it's obvious when something's off. If you're a long time player, the fight will be over in a flash. Even if you don't do all the stuff to make it easier, it's still a pushover which can feel rather unsatisfying. Though if ya just skip to 5... ehhh given how easy it is to reset the timer, the only thing the fight will challenge ya on will be your patience.
It feels more like a send off to the cast than a proper tussle, y'know what I mean?
tl;dr:
Items: 1>>>>>>>>>>2>>>3>4 5*
*5 is just cheat codes,
Partners: 1>4>2>5>3
TBH this ranking is extremely loose as it's entirely subjective on how you plan things.
Plot: 5*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1>2=3=4
*Okay it would be more accurate to say 5=1 since they're both fairly tied together, but man I much prefer how 5's story is paced as it's not completely backloaded unlike 1's.
Gameplay: 4>3>1>5>2
Place 4 wherever you like depending on how much you enjoy/dislike PvZ. i much prefer TvAny Faction myself.
Subjective Overall Ranking:
4>5>2=3>1
If You Can Only Pick 2
Gameplay Utility: 1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2
Story: 5=1
Unique Gameplay Mechanics: 4>3
Hope this answers yer question!
thank you for the thorough reply
i noticed you didn't want to put any names. While i'm personally fine with it, your non-spoiler consideration is appreciated. Thank you very much!
as for the decision
Hmmmm
HMMMMM dang this is tough
DLC1 telephone sounds absolutely QoL changing, it's almost a must, if only to prevent more clicking and mitigate carpal( aging is a pain)
DLC 5 sounds like the epitome for the story by your description although i can't imagine what is going on XD. admittedly, out of all the Touhou Arc, i understand the Lunar capital arc the least. Interested, but not enough to start delving into it. the characters also not my cup of tea either(hot take sorry i know). Although from your description, i might buy it later in the future to see the conclusive story(?) that u said tie everything up nicely
DLC 4 being first for overall ranking do surprise me a bit. from the description i thought i would be 1 lol. guess you like PvZ a lot huh XD
i would have picked DLC 4 too, except it has 1 glaring misplay..... Momiji already in DLC1 hahaha. She's my gateway to Touhou, even if a side char, so she's a strong consideration for any content
DLC 2 admittedly is already in my radar since the begging sine Subterranean Animism lore is my absolute fav, and Utsuho is my favourite (profpic was Utsuho till this year). From your description, dlc2 isn't bad, not the best either. The item you mention sounds useful (i'm a sucker for utility upgrade) although the new minigame seems worrying from your description ahaha. Welp only 1 way to find out if it's any good i suppose.
tldr
getting 1 and 2. probably the better translated one since they come out earlier(i hope).
maybe 5 sometime in future.
Thanks for the help!
I also don't have a strong grasp on the cast of the Lunar Capital, hence why I brushed up Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom's plot. Only to discover the characters barely mention the incident in passing, they also didn't come from that game to begin with. They're from Silent Sinner in Blue, a manga along with other multimedia print works.
Mima really gets the lion's share of the writing to the point the Lunarians feel like an afterthought. BTW: Eirin shows up for ONE scene AND THEN NEVER SHOWS UP AGAIN DESPITE BEING ON THE COVER OF THE DLC. 0/10 TERRIBLE DLC REPORTED FOR FALSE ADVERTISING. She's not even the special guest!
I mean, yeah 1 has the best utility item bar none, but most of their spell cards are just okay, not something you'd go out of your way to get. With the exception of one of them since they give a flat 50% boost to tips AKA your major source of income. Even then I only call them in when I'm playing purely for score.
Meanwhile yeah 4's items pale in comparison, it more than makes up for it in spell cards. Do you want a flat percentage multiplier to tonight's profits? No problem. Use incompatible ingredients in a dish without turning it into dark matter? Gotcha. Wanna turn a customer's disliked tags into liked ones? Done n' done. Tired of following trends? Set one yourself using [REDACTED]'s spell card to become an overnight sensation!
Even the weakest one of the bunch is still nice to have. Not a single useless card in DLC 4's deck.
Spell cards aside, the cast is overall enjoyable and despite being a filler plot, it does show how much Mystia matured as a person which was sweet to see.
Momiji's definitely a solid choice, no arguing that.
Man, I wish I didn't read up on SA prior to playing the DLC because now I won't know how I'd react to Okuu's shenanigans and her total nonchalance towards them. Probably identical to Mystia's but yeah, the SA cast is great. Spell card wise, only of one of them is just eh, two of them can be situationally powerful, one is totally random in what it does which makes it fun, and the last two are utterly busted whether you're playing for score or social link grinding.
The first half of the new minigame is cheesable since you don't have to satisfy every single normal guest, just a certain amount of them. So just cater to the guests you know their tags by heart. The latter half is definitely made easier by using your notebook to add liked/disliked tags until it narrows down the exact recipe you need. Again, a major reason why I found it so disappointing was because of it's name, that's it.
IIRC: Only the base game + DLC 1 had to be retranslated for accuracy. DLC 2 and onwards was done by the new team. I believe the retranslation was implemented nearly a year ago so yer good on that front.
NP!
huh that Eirin faq is kinda dissapointing. sadge. Mommy eirin is a welcome sight lel
when you mentioned Mystia matured as a person. you mean the story on DLC 4?
More during a certain social link, but it does crop up a bit in the story as well.
hi
sorry to bother u again
regarding DLC 5, is it
1. well translation
2. rough translation
3. spotty translation or none
been playing this game for few days and i think i'm hooked enough lol
it awakens my old touhou passion after i ragequit from Dissapearing of Genso lol
so i might just bite the bullet and buy dlc 5
I think it was announced earlier that all of the DLC (or the game itself) was out of the english beta but when i played it before that announcement, the translation for DLC 5 was pretty good imo. A few spelling errors and 1 sidequest just not getting translated but that should all be fixed hopefully.
Also its disappointing that eirin is barely in the dlc. like... not even standing around just to talk to. Though in the local files i DID see some for mike... does anyone know what thats about?
who the heck is mike lol
Pure speculation on my end: I believe that's why they didn't officially announce the DLC being translated until much later after it got so much needed polish.
In regards to DLC 5's translation at the time I played it: There are spelling, grammar, and formatting mistakes but there are all very minor. Like, a letter being smaller or slightly misaligned wouldn't stop ya from comprehending what they're trying to say. Neither will a word repeating here n' there, though the few minor spelling mistakes instantly disqualify DLC 5 from any online debate. :v
There was only one instance that took a bit of guesswork to figure out what the sentence meant, but other than that it's fairly solid. Just needs a lil' more time in the oven.
@amli
Wait, which sidequest? Are you referring to the boiling pot one or DLC 4's partner recruitment scene? Cause the boiling pot is <i>technically</i> supposed to be a part of DLC 1, but got added later around DLC 4's release. Initially, it was completely untranslated, but now it's been patched.
Unless there's some secret sidequest in DLC 5 I'm not aware of...
Apparently, that's supposed to be for the roguelike game mode. She's the merchant that sells you randomized buffs or whatever.
how long ago did you play it man haha
hopefully it is well baked now XD
just realized it's released this year lol
aight i'll take your word for it
Thank for all the help man!