***CHALLENGE COMPLETE*** Chapters 7 and Chapter 9 Alma Boss Fight done on Keyboard

[Aphelion]

Here is Chapter 7:

https://youtu.be/0vXV8LB9ifg

Here is the Alma Fight:

https://youtu.be/VOsBJ3_C4Tw

I decided to record only the fight for Chapter 9. Vast majority of that Chapter is you backtracking through Chapter 7, fighting the boss from Chapter 6 again, and clearing one puzzle. Nothing that I haven't done in any previous chapter leading up this point.

For the fight, I decided to do nothing fancy or pretty to bring down Alma. The thing with this boss is it's the opposite of every other boss fight up to her, instead of exploiting their attack patterns you have to attack Alma almost as she is hitting you, this will make her fly away or use a very broke "Light Barrier" grab that can catch you even in rolls or jumps. If you can get timing down you can knock her out of her dive bomb with one of your own dives, eventually she will fall to her knee and you'll get what seems like 2 seconds to hit her with a combo. Worst part is this fight makes a case in point of how bad the Camera is in NG, as Alma is dashing around, throwing pillars at you, and sending fireballs at your face, having the Camera fight you at times is a huge pain even more so if don't know the dodge pattern.

So while all that is good info, I just decided to lob my own fireballs at her face, dodge everything I could, and follow up with basic combos. It worked to my surprise, and she is dead, this challenge is over and I see Foxdude conveniently got himself banned, so much for that heartfelt apology to everyone he argued with who wanted keyboard support, huh?

A bit more before I go, it is entirely possible to do Ryu's 360 spin attack on WASD, this is done by taking advantage of movement frames, even your own damage frames will allow this to work, essentially you finish any animation and immediately go ballistic on WASD while doing your heavy attack, the game will still recognize these as movements and register the input for the attack. Something I thought previously though was highly unlikely to do be done on keyboard was made entirely possible because of this animation exploit.

With that being said, peace out.

[Sixtyfivekills]

It's been awfully quiet here suddenly, I wonder why.


Congrats.

[Aphelion]

Автор сообщения: Sixtyfivekills

It's been awfully quiet here suddenly, I wonder why.


Congrats.

Quiet as a mouse lmao

[Vezhan]

Автор сообщения: Aphelion Rage

Автор сообщения: Sixtyfivekills

It's been awfully quiet here suddenly, I wonder why.


Congrats.

Quiet as a mouse lmao

Lol, people just work during the day. Nice accomplishment there. Like I said, respect, you certainly did better with K+M than most people will with gamepad in the first few weeks ever playing this.

Well, seems like K+M could be warranted. Perhaps it couldnt compete with the gamepad when trying harder level, but i guess those who really wanted K+M have their views validated now.

Question: what the hell is that soundtrack in Sigma? I much prefer the original. If this is something someone can mod... I would pay to have the original soundtrack.

[Kirin99]

Автор сообщения: Aphelion Rage

I see Foxdude conveniently got himself banned

He's banned? Since when? I didnt expect that lmao

[Arisato]

Thanks for showing everyone reason why KT shouldn't bother with the kbm support.

[Aphelion]

Автор сообщения: Kiririn

Автор сообщения: Aphelion Rage

I see Foxdude conveniently got himself banned

He's banned? Since when? I didnt expect that lmao

I fully expected it, most people can't cash the checks they write so to speak. I don't know when, all I know is I had a notification from another thread that he is in and I seen that he was banned.

[hip]

Congratulations even though i have never doubted your skills.

What i doubt horever, is if Mr. Baned Dude will be man enough to come back here and apologize instead of whining like a little ♥♥♥♥♥ which i'm sure thats what he will do :D

[WhitePhantom]

He was most likely just trolling you. The fact that you made a whole series of videos just to prove him wrong is most likely exactly what he wanted.

[hip]

Автор сообщения: WhitePhantom

He was most likely just trolling you. The fact that you made a whole series of videos just to prove him wrong is most likely exactly what he wanted.

nah. The silence of the gamepad white knights in this thread says otherwise.

[Kirin99]

Автор сообщения: Vitim Hipocondria

What i doubt horever, is if Mr. Baned Dude will be man enough to come back here and apologize instead of whining like a little ♥♥♥♥♥ which i'm sure thats what he will do :D

Its impossible for that man to come back since he's banned permanently in this Ninja Gaiden discussion/thread, except if the moderator unban him.

[Mon]

Doesn't prove anything i can play an RTS game with a controller and claim it's working perfectly fine. Ninja Gaiden simply isn't designed and made to be played with keyboard and mouse. If you are stubborn then go ahead but if you want the smoothest experience and a proper playthrough use a controller.

[hip]

Автор сообщения: Mon

Ninja Gaiden simply isn't made to be played with keyboard and mouse.

And yet you can play it just fine on KB+M. So whats the reason to not support it on PC again other than Koei tecmo's usual lazyness?

Автор сообщения: Mon

if you want the smoothest experience and a proper playthrough use a controller.

and who are you to say if someone will have a smoother experience with a controller and that he won't prefer KB+ M? Oh yeah: your assumptions. Assuming is easy you know? Here you go: unless you post your own videos i will assume that you're actually a worse Master Ninja difficulty player than OP on your controller who constantly dies and are not having a smooth experience at all xD

[PegAsi]

Автор сообщения: Mon

Doesn't prove anything i can play an RTS game with a controller and claim it's working perfectly fine. Ninja Gaiden simply isn't designed and made to be played with keyboard and mouse. If you are stubborn then go ahead but if you want the smoothest experience and a proper playthrough use a controller.

yes you can play RTS games with a controller. Guess how you can do that? By the developer actually adding support for it. Examples needed? Sure why not

C&C3 tiberium wars
C&C 3 Kane's wrath
C&C: Red alert 3
Halo wars 1 and 2
Army men RTS

It is very much possible to play NG with m&kb. Koei just have to get up off their asses and make the control scheme for it. Actually put effort into it and add support. They refuse to do so because they are trying to spend as little amount of money as possible and because they are a old fashioned Japanese company.

In japan, barely anyone played games on pc. (that has changed recently but unfortunately companies like koei are so far in the past that they are slow to adapt to the current market. Which is also why the games are only just now being ported to begin with >_>

[Mon]

Автор сообщения: Vitim Hipocondria

Автор сообщения: Mon

Ninja Gaiden simply isn't made to be played with keyboard and mouse.

And yet you can play it just fine on KB+M. So whats the reason to not support it on PC again other than Koei tecmo's usual lazyness?

Автор сообщения: Mon

if you want the smoothest experience and a proper playthrough use a controller.

and who are you to say if someone will have a smoother experience with a controller and that he won't prefer KB+ M? Oh yeah: your assumptions. Assuming is easy you know? Here you go: unless you post your own videos i will assume that you're actually a worse Master Ninja difficulty player than OP on your controller who constantly dies and are not having a smooth experience at all xD

i played these games since childhood LOL even on keyboard i'd be better than you and OP so keep crying pork. You talk about assuming while doing the same thing but in a dumber way. Besides i didn't call OP a bad player or whatever so why are you white knighting out of nowhere? Get a grip piggy.

[Aphelion]

Автор сообщения: Mon

Doesn't prove anything i can play an RTS game with a controller and claim it's working perfectly fine. Ninja Gaiden simply isn't designed and made to be played with keyboard and mouse. If you are stubborn then go ahead but if you want the smoothest experience and a proper playthrough use a controller.

You started your argument using very failed logic that has been disproven in numerous other threads. There isn't really anything about that I can say to add that has been already said.

Now as for what this was and what it's intended purpose was, it was never about providing the highest skill during the playthroughs, it was about determining whether or not the game COULD play IF properly supported. The original challenge I laid down was completing Ninja Tower, in one shot, with Master Ninja rank. This alone should not have been obtainable based off arguments such as "keyboard isn't precise enough" or "analog can't be done" there was many others that you can go back and see for yourself. Getting to chapter 9 and beating Alma was added later because the people who claimed a keyboard couldn't support this type of gameplay were getting put into a corner with no way to prove their point outside of my failure.

The jankiness of my gameplay was more attributed to my lack of experience mapping keybinds, not having a fully mapped keyboard when playing, and not recalling full fight details from a game I beat when I was 12 . And not because the game wasn't accepting of a different control scheme which was the entire purpose of these videos. I posted all of these on the Ninja Gaiden reddit and ran across a user to beat every Ninja Gaiden using RPCS3 and their keybinds were so much more detailed and fluid vs what I had, it was determined that I was trying to play NGS with the button layout of that of a fps game, on a bop it toy.

So ya, proved a lot, proved a majority of the people who played this in their youth as I did severely over dramatized the complexity of this game, it proved that someone with a barebones mapped keyboard could play making the point of official keyboard support all the more justified, and it proved their are people who rather have a quality built port instead of the awful excuse that is the Master Collection.