KING in Yellow

[Husker_85]

So.. not to complain because I'm loving this game, but I was slightly disappointed at the gendering of the king in yellow. Like.. there are two other female eldritch horrors, could we get a 'the real king in yellow' DLC?

[DepressedDiego]

They are unknowable outer entities, gender does not apply.

[Husker_85]

All the more reason to include a big daddy Eldritch god or a genderfluid god xp.

[lagurus]

I agree. Thought the same thing. This is really heteronormative.

[Spoon]

To be fair, King in yellow estir as a man would be hot.

[7MinutesToSpare]

It's unwise to assume one's gender based on physical appearance.

[Husker_85]

Originally posted by PaisleyPlaysTV:

It's unwise to assume one's gender based on physical appearance.

I mean that's fair. But they refer to each other using she/her pronouns.

[Husker_85]

Originally posted by YeenyBean:

If I show you a picture of a man and a picture of a woman and tell you I'll give you a million dollars to point the woman out, it'd be very unwise to not assume gender based on appearance.

That's.. a very strange argument.

[geoneil]

Originally posted by MeowKorean:

To be fair, King in yellow estir as a man would be hot.

In the real canon, Estir is based on Hastur, a character in a collection of stories called The King In Yellow which are part of the Lovecraftian canon on which this game is based.

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[Orange Guise]

These Elder Gods are chromatically limited.

They're not even displaying in colors I can't perceive.

Yellow is SO Chromanormative.
You'd better not make a White joke later

[Avericen]

"So.. not to complain because I'm loving this game, but I was slightly disappointed at the gendering of the king in yellow" - That's what complaining is.

[Husker_85]

Originally posted by Aver:

"So.. not to complain because I'm loving this game, but I was slightly disappointed at the gendering of the king in yellow" - That's what complaining is.

I guess I just wanted to preface it by saying that I like all of the existing content for all three characters. It was very enjoyable.

[Shonen Hero]

Part of the reason Estir is called the King in Yellow is to make it clear there is no other King in Yellow, that she *is* the real King in Yellow in this universe, and that's why AkaBaka avoided calling her the Queen In Yellow. So people wouldn't be like 'but if there's the Queen, where's the King?' AkaBaka also thought it was amusing and fitting in tone with the game to call a female presenting person King in Yellow, and also that there was something more imposing about referring to Estir as 'my King' in a way that saying 'My Queen' wouldn't be. Here's one of his more recent thoughts on the subject, courtesy of his public Discord:

Originally posted by AkaBaka:

"I stuck with King in Yellow because it's the alias attributed to the lovecraftian diety, changing it to Queen because she's female-presenting seemed kind of cheapening of her character. Also referring to her as "My King" gave off the more imposing sort of feeling that "My Queen" doesn't."

[UrobrouS]

Their gender is tentacles.

Problem solved.

TBH, leave that kind of stuff to doujins and Rule34 - or, if you're inclined, go ahead and pen a rule 63 FanFic. The alternative is having either a cheap 'fix' (like an audio warping to make Estir sound male and photoshopping a beard on them or something), or paying for new art, now voice actors, modifying the existing routes, including hooking up all the secret flags, and creating a really annoying amount of work for the dev,

All that, without regarding the elephant in the room, which is;

The Developer imagined the game, and characters as such.
They chose to characterize their characters as such, commissioned art as such, and published the game as such.

Purchasing the game, then deciding that you want the game to conform to your preferences, is akin to picking up a Michael bay movie and complaining about the explosions.

Sure, it's your god-given right to like what you like, and voice your opinion about it, same as it is mine to express mine and react to yours.

But personally? If I never see another "I wish character A was gender B/Why are they like THAT and not like THIS"-type argument again, it would be at least two eternities too soon.

Because, ironically enough, it's pretty damn sexist and entitled to force a character conceived by another to conform to your gender norms and ideals.

[Husker_85]

Originally posted by UrobrouS:

Their gender is tentacles.

Problem solved.

TBH, leave that kind of stuff to doujins and Rule34 - or, if you're inclined, go ahead and pen a rule 63 FanFic. The alternative is having either a cheap 'fix' (like an audio warping to make Estir sound male and photoshopping a beard on them or something), or paying for new art, now voice actors, modifying the existing routes, including hooking up all the secret flags, and creating a really annoying amount of work for the dev,

All that, without regarding the elephant in the room, which is;

The Developer imagined the game, and characters as such.
They chose to characterize their characters as such, commissioned art as such, and published the game as such.

Purchasing the game, then deciding that you want the game to conform to your preferences, is akin to picking up a Michael bay movie and complaining about the explosions.

Sure, it's your god-given right to like what you like, and voice your opinion about it, same as it is mine to express mine and react to yours.

But personally? If I never see another "I wish character A was gender B/Why are they like THAT and not like THIS"-type argument again, it would be at least two eternities too soon.

Because, ironically enough, it's pretty damn sexist and entitled to force a character conceived by another to conform to your gender norms and ideals.

I was just saying it would be cool; didn't mean for it to be a whole 'thing'. But this is the internet, of course it was gonna be a whole thing. Look, I really like the game. Big fan, enjoyed the content, period. Really all I meant to say is that if they wanted to do some DLC like that down the line, I would pay for it.

[Shonen Hero]

It's alright man, I'm certainly not gonna jump down your throat, just making it clear there is no alternate DLC in the works for a genderbent King In Yellow. There is some nice genderbent King in Yellow art that's shared on AkaBaka's twitter, if you're curious