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herbert  [developer] Sep 19, 2022 @ 12:24pm
2.09 Draft Mode Q&A
If you have questions about draft mode, feel free to ask them here
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Zarton Sep 19, 2022 @ 7:55pm 
Is it possible to hide the role choices so we dont know what the goose or neutral roles picked are>?
Atm this mode favors Assassin alot as they know which roles were picked but not who which narrows it down. In normal classic, a goose could be like 15 possible roles for the assassin to guess.
To add on, the entire list of chosen roles shows up on the info button so no need to memorize what roles got chosen
Last edited by Zarton; Sep 19, 2022 @ 8:11pm
Kito Ballard Sep 19, 2022 @ 8:28pm 
Agreed. Please think about a hidden draft mode. I've yet to try this, but my community is already concerned with the open report of what's in play.
herbert  [developer] Sep 19, 2022 @ 9:38pm 
Originally posted by Kito Ballard:
Agreed. Please think about a hidden draft mode. I've yet to try this, but my community is already concerned with the open report of what's in play.

we'll consider this of course, but i think maybe giving i a try first might be prudent

Originally posted by Zarton:
Is it possible to hide the role choices so we dont know what the goose or neutral roles picked are>?
Atm this mode favors Assassin alot as they know which roles were picked but not who which narrows it down. In normal classic, a goose could be like 15 possible roles for the assassin to guess.
To add on, the entire list of chosen roles shows up on the info button so no need to memorize what roles got chosen

again, It's something we'll consider, but the mode doesn't really favor assassin. If you choose Random, for the assassin to shoot you, they'd have to figure out your role, and not know that your role isn't even in the game. The assassin sees every role possible for every player.

e.g. Player 1 picks Assassin, Player 2 randoms into Technician, Player 3 randoms into Mechanic. In a meeting, Player 1 tries to shoot Player 2 in a meeting, and sees every non-duck role in the game available. If Player 2 doesn't at any point openly say that they are the technician, they aren't likely to be shot. Perhaps significantly less likely than in many cases of classic games where roles are guaranteed or very possible.

Granted, not every player is going to Random, but the Assassin is going to be in a minority of games, and players should be paying attention as to what duck they're playing against or might play against in this game mode
Last edited by herbert; Sep 19, 2022 @ 9:47pm
Kito Ballard Sep 20, 2022 @ 5:47am 
I still plan to play this Sunday with my twitch community, but some reports from those who have does make me concerned with how the mode was implemented. I'll be sticking my nose back in here after that stream.
Last edited by Kito Ballard; Sep 20, 2022 @ 5:47am
Cecko Sep 20, 2022 @ 11:02am 
Maybe this question does not belong here, but will the draft mode be fixed any time soon?
Joining, spectating and other glitches? :)
Or is the joining working as planned and due to draft system it will never be able to join during the game?
I decided to ask here, since I can't see anything about it on twitter.
herbert  [developer] Sep 20, 2022 @ 11:09am 
Originally posted by Cecko:
Maybe this question does not belong here, but will the draft mode be fixed any time soon?
Joining, spectating and other glitches? :)
Or is the joining working as planned and due to draft system it will never be able to join during the game?
I decided to ask here, since I can't see anything about it on twitter.

It isn't a bug, and it was something we intended. The idea was that we were going to make this a more competitive game mode, and wouldn't have people be allowed to spectate mid game, as it was conducive to griefing and cheating.

We are going to change this though so that players can spectate very soon. Maybe even in minutes, because people are complaining about it.
herbert  [developer] Sep 20, 2022 @ 11:10am 
Originally posted by Cecko:
Maybe this question does not belong here, but will the draft mode be fixed any time soon?
Joining, spectating and other glitches? :)
Or is the joining working as planned and due to draft system it will never be able to join during the game?
I decided to ask here, since I can't see anything about it on twitter.

also, it would be helpful if you could be more clear as to what you specifically mean by things like other glitches? We're a small team trying our best to give a free game to players, and it isn't very helpful if you refer to bugs in a general way. Feel free to open up a troubleshooting ticket to describe your problem on the discord:

discord.gg/ggd
Last edited by herbert; Sep 20, 2022 @ 11:18am
Cecko Sep 20, 2022 @ 12:01pm 
I'm banned on discord (please dont ban me in game though :D)

Yesterday when we played in a room with 1 spectator, when there were 3 people remaining it did not start pelican countdown and in meetings it was counting spectator's vote, so there were 3 people but 4 votes (spectator was auto-skkipping).
Pelican countdown started with 2 people remaining.

Second glitch is about sound. Sometimes person joins game and you can hear them for like 1 second before they are autokicked, so it could be fixed be joining to the game.

Third glitch happened today when we were able to hear a ghost during meeting so he spoiled everyone's role :D.

I don't have anything of that recorded, because my laptop is currently being fixed and I play on spare one which is kinda potato.
herbert  [developer] Sep 20, 2022 @ 12:12pm 
Originally posted by Cecko:
I'm banned on discord (please dont ban me in game though :D)

Yesterday when we played in a room with 1 spectator, when there were 3 people remaining it did not start pelican countdown and in meetings it was counting spectator's vote, so there were 3 people but 4 votes (spectator was auto-skkipping).
Pelican countdown started with 2 people remaining.

Second glitch is about sound. Sometimes person joins game and you can hear them for like 1 second before they are autokicked, so it could be fixed be joining to the game.

Third glitch happened today when we were able to hear a ghost during meeting so he spoiled everyone's role :D.

I don't have anything of that recorded, because my laptop is currently being fixed and I play on spare one which is kinda potato.

it sounds like someone in the group you play with has a client thats bugging out and isnt actually properly in the game. as for banning you from the game, i dont know who you are in game nor do i know why you were banned from the discord
Razor Sep 20, 2022 @ 6:15pm 
Can someone explain for me what is the point of this mode? It sounds ultra silly, everyone knows the roles. Assassin can kill everyone who doesn't pick random. You can just vote out ducks if they don't pick random. If the roles would be hidden, it would be quite ok. I don't see the point of this mode at all.
Last edited by Razor; Sep 20, 2022 @ 6:15pm
herbert  [developer] Sep 20, 2022 @ 6:39pm 
Originally posted by Razor:
Can someone explain for me what is the point of this mode? It sounds ultra silly, everyone knows the roles. Assassin can kill everyone who doesn't pick random. You can just vote out ducks if they don't pick random. If the roles would be hidden, it would be quite ok. I don't see the point of this mode at all.

it's just a different game mode that might not be for you. you might be better off with classic. It plays differently, and we've given players more agency to their roles. The roles being revealed isn't damning because you don't know who is what role, and it reduces a lot of the potential knowledge overhead. I'm genuinely curious as to how many assassin games you're finding in draft mode, and even after getting it if those assassins are getting two shots off.
76561198189859418 Sep 20, 2022 @ 8:33pm 
Originally posted by herbert:
Originally posted by Razor:
Can someone explain for me what is the point of this mode? It sounds ultra silly, everyone knows the roles. Assassin can kill everyone who doesn't pick random. You can just vote out ducks if they don't pick random. If the roles would be hidden, it would be quite ok. I don't see the point of this mode at all.

it's just a different game mode that might not be for you. you might be better off with classic. It plays differently, and we've given players more agency to their roles. The roles being revealed isn't damning because you don't know who is what role, and it reduces a lot of the potential knowledge overhead. I'm genuinely curious as to how many assassin games you're finding in draft mode, and even after getting it if those assassins are getting two shots off.
Я бы назвал этот режим упрощенным, многим понравится, возможность выбора роли, хоть и ограниченная, меньше ролей в сессии. Не хочу никого обидеть, но больше половины игроков не хотят ничего запоминать и размышлять, а желают просто бегать по карте)
Last edited by Aidin; Sep 20, 2022 @ 8:34pm
herbert  [developer] Sep 20, 2022 @ 8:50pm 
Originally posted by Aidin:
Originally posted by herbert:

it's just a different game mode that might not be for you. you might be better off with classic. It plays differently, and we've given players more agency to their roles. The roles being revealed isn't damning because you don't know who is what role, and it reduces a lot of the potential knowledge overhead. I'm genuinely curious as to how many assassin games you're finding in draft mode, and even after getting it if those assassins are getting two shots off.
Я бы назвал этот режим упрощенным, многим понравится, возможность выбора роли, хоть и ограниченная, меньше ролей в сессии. Не хочу никого обидеть, но больше половины игроков не хотят ничего запоминать и размышлять, а желают просто бегать по карте)
thats certainly part of it. of course, random will be any role, but all the guaranteed roles drops the 'floor' of the things you need to know in one game, and what you need to deduce from
Ruanek Sep 24, 2022 @ 8:10pm 
It'd be nice if roles could be selected/removed/question marked like in classic mode.
Kito Ballard Sep 26, 2022 @ 5:02pm 
So, played a bit with my community Sunday and I'll admit, it's interesting, but there's too much information now. If there's Draft but an option to "hide" the UI on the left side of the screen, I'd be more down to play that version. As it stands, the mode feels way too informative now with everything (aside from random) shown. It's fun, yes, but rather people be unsure like the standard mode while letting players choose som'in from the draft pool.
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