Are all the licensed music removed?

[Adam__86]

I heard 30 tracks are missing from the trilogy and was curious if they were the licensed songs. I ask because as silly as it sounds, but without those songs I won't buy. Those songs hold significant memories of the original games for me, so that nostalgic experience will be lost especially when the game is priced premium

[space]

so what do you expect? rockstar to keep paying for licensed music forever?

[Adam__86]

Originally posted by space:

so what do you expect? rockstar to keep paying for licensed music forever?

If they're going to remaster, yes. Otherwise you are getting less

[MASTAN]

Some tracks are removed yes. Not that many though, 8 are gone from Vice City DE and 17 from San Andreas DE. GTA 3 DE has all songs intact: https://screenrant.com/gta-trilogy-soundtrack-vice-city-radio-stations-missing-songs/
They can be restored using mods. Go to nexusmods and search for "definitive edition radio stations restored".

[V I D A L]

I doubt 30 songs were removed.
No. The music still mostly in the game. Obviously a few tracks got removed due to licensing expiring, which is normal.

Still not a big deal as they can be restored fully by a mod, which is always the case.

[V I D A L]

Originally posted by Adam__86:

Originally posted by space:

so what do you expect? rockstar to keep paying for licensed music forever?

If they're going to remaster, yes. Otherwise you are getting less

It's not always possible. Not every song is available for licensing.
I've heard Michael Jackson music, for example.. cannot be licensed at all no matter how much money Rockstar were to offer.

[Nightlife Neko]

Originally posted by MASTAN:

Some tracks are removed yes. Not that many though, 8 are gone from Vice City DE and 17 from San Andreas DE. GTA 3 DE has all songs intact: https://screenrant.com/gta-trilogy-soundtrack-vice-city-radio-stations-missing-songs/
They can be restored using mods. Go to nexusmods and search for "definitive edition radio stations restored".

Thank you

[NormireX]

Originally posted by space:

so what do you expect? rockstar to keep paying for licensed music forever?

This is the fatal error a lot of companies make when licensing music for a game. They need to license a Perpetual License and then no matter what the music stays with the game. This is 100% Rock Stars fault. A case could also be made that them taking the music away after you already bought the game is theft. There needs to be some legal precedence in these situations. Maybe when the consumer pays for the game it counts as them paying for a perpetual license.

It's all a bunch of corporate greed bull crap no matter how you slice it, a license should never need renewed when a track is in a game from the start. It should be considered pat of the game at that point. Also the record companies are stupid because it's free advertising for their artists. But yeah guess mods it is then, they can't keep me from adding the songs back on my own and adding more than what was there to begin with.

[V I D A L]

Originally posted by NormireX:

Originally posted by space:

so what do you expect? rockstar to keep paying for licensed music forever?

This is the fatal error a lot of companies make when licensing music for a game. They need to license a Perpetual License and then no matter what the music stays with the game. This is 100% Rock Stars fault. A case could also be made that them taking the music away after you already bought the game is theft. There needs to be some legal precedence in these situations. Maybe when the consumer pays for the game it counts as them paying for a perpetual license.

It's all a bunch of corporate greed bull crap no matter how you slice it, a license should never need renewed when a track is in a game from the start. It should be considered pat of the game at that point. Also the record companies are stupid because it's free advertising for their artists. But yeah guess mods it is then, they can't keep me from adding the songs back on my own and adding more than what was there to begin with.

That's not how it works. lol What the hell?
You do know music belongs to someone or some record label. You have to make a deal with them and they will not give you a perpetual license. Are you gonna pull a gun to their heads?

[NormireX]

Originally posted by V I D A L:

Originally posted by NormireX:

This is the fatal error a lot of companies make when licensing music for a game. They need to license a Perpetual License and then no matter what the music stays with the game. This is 100% Rock Stars fault. A case could also be made that them taking the music away after you already bought the game is theft. There needs to be some legal precedence in these situations. Maybe when the consumer pays for the game it counts as them paying for a perpetual license.

It's all a bunch of corporate greed bull crap no matter how you slice it, a license should never need renewed when a track is in a game from the start. It should be considered pat of the game at that point. Also the record companies are stupid because it's free advertising for their artists. But yeah guess mods it is then, they can't keep me from adding the songs back on my own and adding more than what was there to begin with.

That's not how it works. lol What the hell?
You do know music belongs to someone or some record label. You have to make a deal with them and they will not give you a perpetual license. Are you gonna pull a gun to their heads?

Sorry bud but you are the one that doesn't understand anything. There are such things as a Perpetual License. There needs to be a law for movies and games that the music an not be removed so this doesn't happen any further.

Also you do realize a Deal has to be made for a Perpetual License right? Gotta love normies coming on here acting like they know anything about the music industry.

[V I D A L]

Originally posted by NormireX:

Originally posted by V I D A L:

That's not how it works. lol What the hell?
You do know music belongs to someone or some record label. You have to make a deal with them and they will not give you a perpetual license. Are you gonna pull a gun to their heads?

Sorry bud but you are the one that doesn't understand anything. There are such things as a Perpetual License. There needs to be a law for movies and games that the music an not be removed so this doesn't happen any further.

Also you do realize a Deal has to be made for a Perpetual License right? Gotta love normies coming on here acting like they know anything about the music industry.

Reading comprehension is at all time low.
Read it again.

[MenjoBleeko]

Originally posted by NormireX:

Originally posted by V I D A L:

That's not how it works. lol What the hell?
You do know music belongs to someone or some record label. You have to make a deal with them and they will not give you a perpetual license. Are you gonna pull a gun to their heads?

Sorry bud but you are the one that doesn't understand anything. There are such things as a Perpetual License. There needs to be a law for movies and games that the music an not be removed so this doesn't happen any further.

Also you do realize a Deal has to be made for a Perpetual License right? Gotta love normies coming on here acting like they know anything about the music industry.

So your .. premise .. is that if a movie is remade, they still have 100% rights to the original music, copyright be damned?

Because that's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

[V I D A L]

Originally posted by MenjoBleeko:

Originally posted by NormireX:

Sorry bud but you are the one that doesn't understand anything. There are such things as a Perpetual License. There needs to be a law for movies and games that the music an not be removed so this doesn't happen any further.

Also you do realize a Deal has to be made for a Perpetual License right? Gotta love normies coming on here acting like they know anything about the music industry.

So your .. premise .. is that if a movie is remade, they still have 100% rights to the original music, copyright be damned?

Because that's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

In the movie industry, this is even more brutal. Even when music is originally composed for your movie, you still don't own the soundtrack. The movie copyrights and soundtrack copyrights remain separate.

Which is why more often than not, games based on movies or animes etc, don't have the same soundtrack from the movie or show. It needs a separate license just for the soundtrack.

But back to my original point. I've never said there isn't a perpetual license.. all I said is that it's not within your power to get one. If you are making a video game, at the end of the day you still have to deal with the copyright owner of the music and 9 times out of 10 they will say "no" to you asking for perpetual license. Then you will be happy to take a 4 years licensing deal and roll with it.

[NormireX]

Originally posted by MenjoBleeko:

Originally posted by NormireX:

Sorry bud but you are the one that doesn't understand anything. There are such things as a Perpetual License. There needs to be a law for movies and games that the music an not be removed so this doesn't happen any further.

Also you do realize a Deal has to be made for a Perpetual License right? Gotta love normies coming on here acting like they know anything about the music industry.

So your .. premise .. is that if a movie is remade, they still have 100% rights to the original music, copyright be damned?

Because that's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

If it's a remake of course things would be renewed. I'm talking about a product you buy and then later down the line they remove the music. My point is once music is in a game it should always be considered part of the game even if a Remaster is made as the music plays a part in the original. A remake is a different story as it would be a completely new game.

The record labels if smart are making deals to get a cut of each game sold so the same would apply to a remaster but not a remake.

I think people way underestimate how greedy record labels are.

[MenjoBleeko]

Originally posted by NormireX:

Originally posted by MenjoBleeko:

So your .. premise .. is that if a movie is remade, they still have 100% rights to the original music, copyright be damned?

Because that's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

If it's a remake of course things would be renewed. I'm talking about a product you buy and then later down the line they remove the music. My point is once music is in a game it should always be considered part of the game even if a Remaster is made as the music plays a part in the original. A remake is a different story as it would be a completely new game.

The record labels if smart are making deals to get a cut of each game sold so the same would apply to a remaster but not a remake.

I think people way underestimate how greedy record labels are.

If you have the original game on the original disc, you can play with the original soundtrack.

If you bought the game later, the publisher made changes.

You're welcome to not like those changes - but in most cases the licensing fees for songs doubled, tripled, or more due to the exposure the song got simply by being in the game. R* isn't going to pay the estate of Michael Jackson $5 million per song annually to license his music in the game when it doesn't make $15 million in annual revenue/sales.

And these are also the same people complaining about the cost of the game - part of that cost is to pay for these damn music licenses, since that cost never decreases.

[V I D A L]

Originally posted by MenjoBleeko:

Originally posted by NormireX:

If it's a remake of course things would be renewed. I'm talking about a product you buy and then later down the line they remove the music. My point is once music is in a game it should always be considered part of the game even if a Remaster is made as the music plays a part in the original. A remake is a different story as it would be a completely new game.

The record labels if smart are making deals to get a cut of each game sold so the same would apply to a remaster but not a remake.

I think people way underestimate how greedy record labels are.

If you have the original game on the original disc, you can play with the original soundtrack.

If you bought the game later, the publisher made changes.

You're welcome to not like those changes - but in most cases the licensing fees for songs doubled, tripled, or more due to the exposure the song got simply by being in the game. R* isn't going to pay the estate of Michael Jackson $5 million per song annually to license his music in the game when it doesn't make $15 million in annual revenue/sales.

And these are also the same people complaining about the cost of the game - part of that cost is to pay for these damn music licenses, since that cost never decreases.

Also, this complaint is all irrelevant on PC.

There are mods on Nexus to restore the complete soundtrack since day 1. There are even expanded packs that includes all radio from Vice City + Vice City Stories into this game.

We're complaining about nothing.