Habit Efficiency vs Status UP

[Temporas]

When did you guys began to stop putting any point in habit efficiency to just focus on spamming status up.

I am at 10k in habit efficiency right now and can barely see any difference in term of speed since almost everything is already taking only 1 point to be capped in speed after first dark ritual, while status up bring me closer to just the next ability to get to the ending.

Currently running ED2 (if it's important)

[Synthar]

well... i mix it up
10k he, 10k status up
100k he, 100k status up
then 1m, then 2m etc
im takling about clears, not total
find a point where you arent annoyed by to low HE and switch to status up, then continue with HE again when you cant be bothered anymore with status up
both are really good to have
you will need a lot of status up to be able to get the last ending atm, maybe it will get better in the future, but atm something around 2 million status up are needed
and HE is quite usefull, i can get everything capped before the first DR, nessecary for sin runs under one hour

[Azghall]

I have at the moment: 20k Habit Efficient, 3.7k Status up.
I did a 3 day run and manage to complete village and snag Rbbery Condor and Green Slime from Holy City before i complete Ed2 and unlock the third guardian.
From what i experience so far:
Habbit Efficient is for bonus, familiar and envy routines are important, familiar are usefull for quick dark ritual and envy if for longer runs, i just unlock envy and those bonus are awesome but is lost after Dark ritual.
Status is for how far in the story you can go. Even if you have lots of Gluttony you still need base status.

[Synthar]

envy isnt reset at DR, only at reincarnation
and in the beginning HE is way more important, but at around 50k HE status up will become nessecary to continue with harder endings
well, at least for me, but im playing since before valley village was introduced, it is a possibility that it has changed and there are better/faster strategies

[Azghall]

Im doing quick reincarnation to upgrade those third guardian stuffs so i din't look more into envy. After i finish with those i will unlock seed drop amount, and buff a lot satiety envy level.
50k HE upgrade? I got around 20k habit with the habit % bonus from will.

[Temporas]

Since youg uys are talking about it, I was wondering when do people use Summon Familiar, and for what? Cause I rarely see a reason to use it over just getting more sacred ritual %

[goldenslime]

Originally posted by Temporas:

Since youg uys are talking about it, I was wondering when do people use Summon Familiar, and for what? Cause I rarely see a reason to use it over just getting more sacred ritual %

dryads for seeding, arrogant fairy when research farming, greater demon for stats when im pushing to beat a new boss or dungeon and hungry pig man when putting levels in greed or farming gluttony. i also used butler spirit at some point to help me cap will with less points but im way past that now

[Azghall]

I use for extra Research drop rate, will gain speed, more seeds and Gluttony and Greed. I have at the moment HE 20.2k that gives me a base of 2.11k Habit with all the other bonus i have 37.5k Habit, with that i can reach "Summon Familiar" level 26 when i reach rank 28, then i switch to "Buttler Spirit" for more will gain speed, when i about to Dark Ritual i switch to "Arrogant Fairy" and kill the guardians and when i need to farm seed i use those Dryad. I use only one familiar at the time (except the Dryads).
After i finish my Sin upgrades and have some satiety envy level i can start using the exp for Greed on quick runs, i found out it's not worth using greed without the bonus, so with high familiar level + 80% Greed + satiety envy i think i can gain 10 sin per quick run (my current is 5 sin). Also i really need to invest more seed on my hero and have more Status up i have to eat tons of food to just clear the Village.

[Synthar]

Originally posted by Temporas:

Since youg uys are talking about it, I was wondering when do people use Summon Familiar, and for what? Cause I rarely see a reason to use it over just getting more sacred ritual %

first, the hungry pig man familiar is really really really good
it gives you more satiety/desire for the same ressources invested in greed and gluttony, so you get to higher values > better multipliers at DR and reincarnation
then there is the sages grimmoire, an equipment that boosts the effect of hungry pig man, meanning it gets way easier to gain more sins and complaints at reincarnation, so summon familiar is a must the further you go in the game

there comes a point where you can cap everything with just one habit, then what can you do with the rest?

as was written earlier, there are other usefull effects, but they are for a specific situation, but hungry pig man is something that should always be there if you can reach it in one hour because of the boost to the invested research and food
and if that isnt possible, at least before you reincanate use it to boost the sins and complaints you get
i pushed a bit to much i think but i was at more then 10k sins my last long run

[Azghall]

My last long run took a week and a i grab all the monster of Swamp (Evil City) and forge the sages grimmoire and got 170 sin when i ended the run(20k Number of Clears for HE and 8.50k for Status up). But yeah the far you go, Familiar becomes much more important. And don't forget to grab and upgrade all those +Habit and %Habit and "Obedient Berserker" for the summon familiar speed.
Right now my quick runs i use 50 levels for all pre graduate exp and level more those i have more xp, im getting 40 sin per 1:30 hours. Hungry Pig with sages grimmoire is Awesome!