Assault Rifle Feedback

[The Illusion]

The assault rifle is a nice weapon. Pretty much only use it now. But its missing a full auto upgrade and the upgrade path (and that of most weapons) just doesn't make sense. And costs a massive amount. The cost can be argued to be mostly balanced since its so powerful, but still is inconsistent with the other upgrade levels (with the top being 2700 credits). If it got a full auto upgrade or just an optional fire mode, that would make the weapon so much better and easier to use.

[Frag Maniac]

I liked the Assault Rifle first play through, but then went to just using the Hand Cannon and Riot Gun. It's the best way to economize inventory space and credits, especially since you get the Riot Gun free. It makes a HUGE difference on Hardcore mode.

[The Illusion]

Originally posted by Frag Maniac:

I liked the Assault Rifle first play through, but then went to just using the Hand Cannon and Riot Gun. It's the best way to economize inventory space and credits, especially since you get the Riot Gun free. It makes a HUGE difference on Hardcore mode.

But the Riot gun is alot worse than the skunkgun. Takes two shots from the skunk to kill most things, whereas the riot gun would be out of ammo before it would kill things. The assault rifle can two clip a two head for instance, but the riot gun cant (have never killed a two head with a riot gun).

As for the hand cannon, yeah, I tend to keep that equipped until I need the rifle. The tactical pistol is good for those long neck things too, but nothing else.

[ragnarok]

Originally posted by Frag Maniac:

I liked the Assault Rifle first play through, but then went to just using the Hand Cannon and Riot Gun. It's the best way to economize inventory space and credits, especially since you get the Riot Gun free. It makes a HUGE difference on Hardcore mode.

How useful did you find the hand cannon?

[Frag Maniac]

Originally posted by The Illusion:

...but the riot gun cant (have never killed a two head with a riot gun).

You must not be using it correctly against TwoHeads, because they go down relatively easy with it if you just shoot regular rounds up close at it's heads. Watch and learn from phatRat's no damage Hardcore run.

If you're at all concerned about how many credits are needed for weapons, the Riot Gun should be at the top of the efficiency list, because you get it free.

This only took him a little over 4 hrs, despite ALL cutscenes being shown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su7beWr8urg

Originally posted by ragnarok:

How useful did you find the hand cannon?

It's VERY useful, especially when upgraded, and the bonus explosive round capability comes in handy near end of game on Hardcore.

[ragnarok]

Well since you found the Hand Cannon so useful, how much DID you upgrade the Riot Gun?

[Lardo]

Originally posted by The Illusion:

The assault rifle is a nice weapon. Pretty much only use it now. But its missing a full auto upgrade and the upgrade path (and that of most weapons) just doesn't make sense. And costs a massive amount. The cost can be argued to be mostly balanced since its so powerful, but still is inconsistent with the other upgrade levels (with the top being 2700 credits). If it got a full auto upgrade or just an optional fire mode, that would make the weapon so much better and easier to use.

Final upgrades suck across the board, with Assault rifle being the worst. On harder difficulties they’re not worth using at all, unless you’re a highly skilled player attempting no damage runs or something.

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[Frag Maniac]

Originally posted by ragnarok:

Well since you found the Hand Cannon so useful, how much DID you upgrade the Riot Gun?

All the way, even on Hardcore there's plenty credits if you loot everything, but it helps to sell injectors where you can. There are MANY places where you get more injectors and batteries than you need though. The bonus explosive round upgrade for the Riot Gun I found most useful on the final boss. I took it's shield down with regular magnum rounds, then pummeled it's unprotected face with explosive rounds.

[ragnarok]

Originally posted by Frag Maniac:

Originally posted by ragnarok:

Well since you found the Hand Cannon so useful, how much DID you upgrade the Riot Gun?

All the way, even on Hardcore there's plenty credits if you loot everything, but it helps to sell injectors where you can. There are MANY places where you get more injectors and batteries than you need though. The bonus explosive round upgrade for the Riot Gun I found most useful on the final boss. I took it's shield down with regular magnum rounds, then pummeled it's unprotected face with explosive rounds.

I see.

With regards to the looting and selling, this was one of the things I REALLY hated about the game: your inventory space is WAY too small, and there's no place to store the excess like in the Dead Space games.

Prior to the suit, you only have 6 spots, which is hardly enough for anything. Even the lv1 suit in Dead Space gave you more than that. Not to mention there's many spots in the game where once you cross a certain point, you can't backtrack to the reforge station (though they did this quite a bit in Dead Space 2 as well).

Anyways, since you said there's plenty of credits if you loot everything, did you also have enough to upgrade the GRP all the way as well?

[ragnarok]

Because it's like this Frag:

You said you upgraded the Hand Cannon and Riot Gun all the way. But did you still have enough to fully upgrade the GRP and Stun Baton after that?

Because I saw no need for the assault rifle to deal with the Two-Headed Brute. It makes things easier, but the AR isn't ESSENTIAL.

The Q here is if you limit yourself to just the hand cannon, riot gun, GRP, and stun baton, are there enough credits to fully upgrade ALL of them or not.

[Lardo]

Originally posted by ragnarok:

Because it's like this Frag:

You said you upgraded the Hand Cannon and Riot Gun all the way. But did you still have enough to fully upgrade the GRP and Stun Baton after that?

Because I saw no need for the assault rifle to deal with the Two-Headed Brute. It makes things easier, but the AR isn't ESSENTIAL.

The Q here is if you limit yourself to just the hand cannon, riot gun, GRP, and stun baton, are there enough credits to fully upgrade ALL of them or not.

Hand Cannon is good enough in any situation, and the Riot Gun you get for free and can't discard, so might as well use it too. AR is a third weapon you can never discard. Once you buy it, the game will start spawning ammo for it, wasting your very limited inventory space, so it's totally redundant, like all the other weapons.

[ragnarok]

Originally posted by Lardo:

Originally posted by ragnarok:

Because it's like this Frag:

You said you upgraded the Hand Cannon and Riot Gun all the way. But did you still have enough to fully upgrade the GRP and Stun Baton after that?

Because I saw no need for the assault rifle to deal with the Two-Headed Brute. It makes things easier, but the AR isn't ESSENTIAL.

The Q here is if you limit yourself to just the hand cannon, riot gun, GRP, and stun baton, are there enough credits to fully upgrade ALL of them or not.

Hand Cannon is good enough in any situation, and the Riot Gun you get for free and can't discard, so might as well use it too. AR is a third weapon you can never discard. Once you buy it, the game will start spawning ammo for it, wasting your very limited inventory space, so it's totally redundant, like all the other weapons.

You mean you didn't bother upgrading ANYTHING for the GRP and stun baton when you played the game?

[Lardo]

Originally posted by ragnarok:

Originally posted by Lardo:

Hand Cannon is good enough in any situation, and the Riot Gun you get for free and can't discard, so might as well use it too. AR is a third weapon you can never discard. Once you buy it, the game will start spawning ammo for it, wasting your very limited inventory space, so it's totally redundant, like all the other weapons.

You mean you didn't bother upgrading ANYTHING for the GRP and stun baton when you played the game?

Sure I did. On harder difficulties, especially hardcore, I upgraded baton damage and combo all the way, and for GRP - everything, except the last and most expensive upgrades. I hardly used and upgraded guns at all, since you barely get any ammo. I used the hand cannon to shoot off legs every once in a while and cheesed TwoHead encounters.

[ragnarok]

Originally posted by Lardo:

Originally posted by ragnarok:

You mean you didn't bother upgrading ANYTHING for the GRP and stun baton when you played the game?

Sure I did. On harder difficulties, especially hardcore, I upgraded baton damage and combo all the way, and for GRP - everything, except the last and most expensive upgrades. I hardly used and upgraded guns at all, since you barely get any ammo. I used the hand cannon to shoot off legs every once in a while and cheesed TwoHead encounters.

And here I thought there were enough credits to fully upgrade the Hand Cannon and Riot Gun, even in Hardcore.

[Frag Maniac]

Originally posted by ragnarok:

Originally posted by Lardo:

Sure I did. On harder difficulties, especially hardcore, I upgraded baton damage and combo all the way, and for GRP - everything, except the last and most expensive upgrades. I hardly used and upgraded guns at all, since you barely get any ammo. I used the hand cannon to shoot off legs every once in a while and cheesed TwoHead encounters.

And here I thought there were enough credits to fully upgrade the Hand Cannon and Riot Gun, even in Hardcore.

There are, Lardo is not as knowledgeable about the game as he pretends.

Originally posted by ragnarok:

Because it's like this Frag:

You said you upgraded the Hand Cannon and Riot Gun all the way. But did you still have enough to fully upgrade the GRP and Stun Baton after that?

Because I saw no need for the assault rifle to deal with the Two-Headed Brute. It makes things easier, but the AR isn't ESSENTIAL.

The Q here is if you limit yourself to just the hand cannon, riot gun, GRP, and stun baton, are there enough credits to fully upgrade ALL of them or not.

No need to upgrade GRP or Baton anywhere NEAR all the way. I only put 2 upgrades into the GRP on Hardcore, the lower level middle one and one on the right. It's far more important HOW you use the GRP, than how you upgrade it. Things like standing a safe distance behind a turbine and just pulling them into it, etc. Basically anytime you needlessly throw an enemy with GRP, you are seriously wasting battery energy.

The Baton needs even less upgrading, and it's possible to get through with none, even on Hardcore.