Give us The Callisto Protocol 2 NOT Project Birdseye

[zibi_PL]

Project Birdseye will be a huge failure:

https://youtu.be/Za06-A8-_5w

[potato]

that's their side project, not main

and since callisto flopped it's doubtful they'll make a sequel

[zibi_PL]

Originally posted by potato:

that's their side project, not main

and since callisto flopped it's doubtful they'll make a sequel

This side project promises to be a total failure, much much worse than The Callisto Protocol. Everybody knows this but no devs. It is a waste of time.

[potato]

you're not their publisher so i don't think they care that you don't approve and making a sequel to a flopped game is the last thing on their mind

[Frag Maniac]

One can only guess why they hired Steve Papoutsis to replace Glen Schofield, and I'm doubting it's to make any Hardline type crap like EA had him do. There's hope for another Callisto IMO. It's not like everyone hated the game, The reviews after the patching are Mostly Positive on Steam. It's just a matter of how Krafton interprets that.

[Interl@ce]

Originally posted by Frag Maniac:

There's hope for another Callisto IMO. It's not like everyone hated the game, The reviews after the patching are Mostly Positive on Steam. It's just a matter of how Krafton interprets that.

Yeah its pretty obvious what's been happening around these forums does not match the actual (recent) reviews whatsoever; tons of people enjoying it won't bother letting others know, or even check forums at all.

[Frag Maniac]

Originally posted by Interl@ce:

...tons of people enjoying it won't bother letting others know, or even check forums at all.

Yeah that's the sad part, I just hope Krafton doesn't get the wrong idea by it.

[Bombast]

That doesn't look bad at all actually. I'm not a fan of the "comic book UI" aesthetic, but that's not necessarily a deal breaker.

[Lardo]

Originally posted by Frag Maniac:

One can only guess why they hired Steve Papoutsis to replace Glen Schofield, and I'm doubting it's to make any Hardline type crap like EA had him do. There's hope for another Callisto IMO. It's not like everyone hated the game, The reviews after the patching are Mostly Positive on Steam. It's just a matter of how Krafton interprets that.

No one gives a ♥♥♥♥ about reviews, they only care about profit (sale numbers), which is not up to interpretation.

[Interl@ce]

Originally posted by Lardo:

No one gives a ♥♥♥♥ about reviews, they only care about profit (sale numbers)

Maybe you don't, but gamers 100% look up reviews before sales numbers and they are the ones who'll be buying in the first place, and the future

[Frag Maniac]

Originally posted by Lardo:

No one gives a ♥♥♥♥ about reviews, they only care about profit (sale numbers), which is not up to interpretation.

In large part, that's sadly true, like the way Sony is still not greenlighting a Days Gone 2, despite an online petition for it having over 225,000 signatures. However, if those opinions are backed by boycotting alternative plans, they just might think twice about it. It's like Interl@ace said, a single opinion means little, but collectively, the wallets speak loudly!

There's actually quite a few players whom read reviews on Jedi Survivor and decided to boycott it, or at least wait for patching and/or bargain bin pricing. Players CAN get what they want if they're smart and don't listen to the "you can't" posts. I respect your right to an opinion Lardo whether you realize it or not, but I DO think you are overly negative a lot.

[Lardo]

Originally posted by Interl@ce:

Originally posted by Lardo:

No one gives a ♥♥♥♥ about reviews, they only care about profit (sale numbers)

Maybe you don't, but gamers 100% look up reviews before sales numbers and they are the ones who'll be buying in the first place, and the future

Except I wasn’t talking about gamers, I was talking about executives that make actual decisions. I also wasn’t saying they shouldn’t look at reviews, I was saying they don’t.

[Interl@ce]

Originally posted by Lardo:

Except I wasn’t talking about gamers, I was talking about executives that make actual decisions. I also wasn’t saying they shouldn’t look at reviews, I was saying they don’t.

Oh but they do-- they're also regularly forced to respond to extreme negative review waves since PR and image are important enough for serious budgets to get spent on these days.

Inversely they'll also notice hundreds of new people still actively playing this singleplayer title daily even years after release, and them leaving mostly positive reviews..

[Bombast]

Originally posted by Interl@ce:

Inversely they'll also notice hundreds of new people still actively playing this singleplayer title daily even years after release, and them leaving mostly positive reviews..

Callisto Protocol on Steam normally has about 260 players on average (We can ignore the current 30 day average due to Humble Bundle and a recent Steam sale).

Some games for context:

Dead Space Remastered (456)
Farcry 3 (555)
Farcry Primal (299)
Half-Life 2 (854)
MechWarrior 5 (901)
God of War (2,174)
Nier Automata (1128)
Pillars of Eternity (269)
Dawn of War: Dark Crusade (283) (Not the most played Dawn of War)

I hope everyone gets the game they want. I'm not even opposed to Callisto 2, even though I thought the game was bad: It is not unfixable in my opinion. But lets keep things in perspective. No one looking at this games player counts is going to be moved by it, for good or ill - I expect most publishers do not expect single player games like this to live forever.

[Interl@ce]

Originally posted by Bombast:

We can ignore the current 30 day average due to Humble Bundle and a recent Steam sale.

No we can't and we shouldn't because it does matter: if people weren't buying it on sale and not playing it even as part of a humble bundle that would prove a point.

Instead we're seeing the exact opposite, with spikes in active players succeeding the competition you brought up, and those players leaving more positive reviews behind than ever!

Originally posted by Bombast:

No one looking at this games player counts is going to be moved by it, for good or ill

Also untrue: Spiking players counts + positive review waves = not the horrible game with unfixable issues a group of people also on these forums tried so hard to project-- it scared away potential buyers and is not working anymore.

The amount of times I saw "don't buy it / don't even try it / its a (broken) mess / nobody likes it / get this other game instead" around here never made sense and was in disharmony with the amount of positive reviews being left all along.

Truth: 2 quick patches were once needed in the first days after release to fix a serious performance problem, and others ran with it and a bunch of other hyperboled nonsense to create a false negative image while promoting competition, and they ultimately failed.

[Bombast]

Originally posted by Interl@ce:

Originally posted by Bombast:

We can ignore the current 30 day average due to Humble Bundle and a recent Steam sale.

No we can't and we shouldn't because it does matter: if people weren't buying it on sale and not playing it even as part of a humble bundle that would prove a point.

Instead we're seeing the exact opposite, with spikes in active players succeeding the competition you brought up, and those players leaving more positive reviews behind than ever!

Originally posted by Bombast:

No one looking at this games player counts is going to be moved by it, for good or ill

Also untrue: Spiking players counts + positive review waves = not the horrible game with unfixable issues a group of people also on these forums tried so hard to project-- it scared away potential buyers and is not working anymore.

The amount of times I saw "don't buy it / don't even try it / its a (broken) mess / nobody likes it / get this other game instead" around here never made sense and was in disharmony with the amount of positive reviews being left all along.

Truth: 2 quick patches were once needed in the first days after release to fix a serious performance problem, and others ran with it and a bunch of other hyperboled nonsense to create a false negative image while promoting competition, and they ultimately failed.

People bought it as part of a subscription and it's still getting lapped by it's direct rival and decade old games. It's not as impressive as you think. It's not even the most played game in this months Humble Choice.