Don't pretend it's not multiplayer

[Paahtis]

"Gather your heroes"
"Share the adventure"

We all know this game is intended to be played as a multiplayer, that's why even all the promo material videos are strictly showing the co-op game.

Now the game has a lot of features missing that should be in a multiplayer game and this is simply because the developers didn't know how to code them. The developers are here saying the multiplayer doesn't work because the game is intended to be played alone and coop is just tacked on so it's not even supposed to work.

But Devs, please don't come here and try to gaslight people by saying these missing features are intended and the co op is actually supposed to be buggy and not have basic QoL features because the game was "designed to be that way".

We all know it's just because you don't know how to code it and it sucks that it doesn't seem like you don't even try to fix it, but instead pretend the game not working is part of the experience.

It's not true, I know it, you know it and even if it was, it's still unprofessional that it doesn't work.

Pretending you crapped your pants on purpose doesn't make it any better, it still stinks.

[Sir Pencil]

While I do agree that the approach to character saves feels backwards and anachronistic and there's definitely room to discuss that, we do the conversation a disservice if we cannot hold it in a respectful manner.

That being said, it is unfortunate that characters are stored in the host's save. My online group absolutely cannot stop playing a game or making progress while others are offline, which means that invariably someone (or multiple someones) are going to be at different levels and beholden to others for the opportunity to play their characters.

I hope this is changed eventually to utilize a system similar to Heroes of Hammerwatch where your characters are portable, but time will tell.

[chef]

you have 60 hours in Baldurs gate 3 and are complaining about a game thats so similar to it. thats mind boggling stuff right there. if you dont like the game dont buy it nobody is forcing you. i dont like the way BG3 or this game handle their saves but to come and whine about it is funny. just go play DOTA like you are REEEEEEEEE

[Paahtis]

Originally posted by Sir Gnawington of Damshire:

you have 60 hours in Baldurs gate 3 and are complaining about a game thats so similar to it. thats mind boggling stuff right there. if you dont like the game dont buy it nobody is forcing you. i dont like the way BG3 or this game handle their saves but to come and whine about it is funny. just go play DOTA like you are REEEEEEEEE

You are right in that Hammerwatch 2 and Baldurs gate are pretty much the exact same game, maybe crackshell should handle the development of Baldurs gate 4 when it's time comes.

That "you don't have to buy it if you have anything negative to say" is such a stupid statement that at this point there probably is not even any need to address it. Besides, where in the post do you see me saying I don't like the game, moreover, how can I not like a game when it's not even out yet?

Where did you see me "whine" about saves? Also what does BG3 have to do with anything?

Oh and by the way, you said you don't like how hammerwatch handles their saves, well if you don't like it dont buy it, nobody is forcing you to buy a game which saving system you don't like. Stop whining about it ok?

Originally posted by Sir Pencil:

While I do agree that the approach to character saves feels backwards and anachronistic and there's definitely room to discuss that, we do the conversation a disservice if we cannot hold it in a respectful manner.

That being said, it is unfortunate that characters are stored in the host's save. My online group absolutely cannot stop playing a game or making progress while others are offline, which means that invariably someone (or multiple someones) are going to be at different levels and beholden to others for the opportunity to play their characters.

I hope this is changed eventually to utilize a system similar to Heroes of Hammerwatch where your characters are portable, but time will tell.

Excellent post, thank you. I personally don't see the not being able to play the same character the biggest problem though most definitely the game would benefit greatly from it. But I doubt it will change looking at the responses coming from the developers, which was exactly the point of this post. If they can't make the fix, it's sad but somewhat understandable, I don't assume every indie developer knows how to perfectly make a game, but I really wish they didn't pretend like it's not a problem when it clearly is to most people.

Tommy Wiseau tried to back down and say The Room was meant to be a dark comedy, I don't need Crackshell to do the same thing with saying that this game was meant to be a single player.

I just wish the game can become the best game it can.

[Revalopod]

I agree, and support your points. I want the very best for the game too. A lot of people don't seem to understand that directing criticism towards the game doesn't negate the enjoyment or appreciation for its strengths. It's not about raining on anyone's parade. We're not haters. Defending the game vehemently and shutting down any critique can inadvertently hinder the very progress that "fans" claim to support.

Games like Deep Rock Galactic, Subnautica, and Baldur's Gate 3, all embraced early access and community input precisely because they understood that growth stems from acknowledging imperfections. Dismissing criticisms as 'whining' does a disservice to both the game and its community. So, it's not about being negative for the sake of it, but about being invested enough to push the devs towards making something outstanding. In the end, offering criticisms and feedback show's a true fans commitment to the game's potential and long-term success, and those "fans" defending the game are doing more harm then they realise.

Edit: Look at the game now; numerous changes have already been implemented or are on the way. The criticisms have resulted in a better product that everyone can enjoy more.

[Warzonic]

LOL, thats a huge flop for me.

[chef]

Never have I seen a more moronic poster on any discussion board. Dude has a personal vendetta out for this game he’s in every thread seething. Pretty sure I now have Covid from this abomination of a thread.