New to Ghost Recon. Trying Heroes Unleashed for the first time. Feel like I'm doing something wrong here. Can't even do the first objective. Want advice.

[Neonetik]

Like I said in my title, I'm new to Ghost Recon, and after playing a bit of the normal game (just the tutorial and an attempt at the first mission), I wanted to try out some Heroes Unleashed to see how it compares. I installed it, launched the first mission of Ghost Recon, and... basically spend the next hour dying over and over, seemingly getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by things out of my control, before I could even complete the very first objective of clearing the tent area.

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here. I've got a team with 2 snipers, and everyone else as riflemen (support didn't seem helpful due to not being able to zoom in), and like, I'm taking things EXTREMELY slowly here. I'm talking going prone, and slowly moving towards through the starting forest. However, it seems that even behind the exceptionally dense trees, the enemies all immediately see me, and manage to shoot me from positions where I, and by extension, they, literally cannot see me. One of my my runs, it felt like I was just immediately rushed from the starting position by like 4 guys and got shot up. Every time I made it to the cliff turn (where there is another sandbag encampment up high, protecting the entrance to the tents), a truck or two seemingly appear out of absolutely nowhere, and my entire team just dies, without any visuals of soldiers firing upon us or anything, like the mere act of the trucks moving past kills us, within seconds. It doesn't even seem like my team is defending themselves. I once managed to make it to the tented area after SOMEHOW taking down a truck (I have no idea what happened differently that time but I still lost some med), and then had my whole team taken down by one random soldier who managed to kill everyone, despite the fact that we were standing behind cover (ordered my team to do so), and he was in an open area. I'm making an attempt to only move ahead with my sniper team first, because moving as a group just seems like a horrible death sentence, but after like 4 attempts, each of which taking about 15 minutes just to get in VIEW of the tents, I'm reasonably certain I'm just doing something very stupid without knowing what.

Is this the intended experience? What am I doing wrong here? I'm proning, I'm going very slow, I'm prioritizing snipers/scopes, it seems like I'm doing everything in my power to play things safe here. I get that this is supposed to be an unforgiving/brutal/extreme realism type of mod and stuff, but so far, it just seems kind of extremely unfair, and not in a well-crafted way. I'm not saying that IS the case, in fact, I believe the exact opposite, but that's just the feeling I'm getting ATM.

In addition, is there a way to make my teammates prone, or automatically take cover? Seems like unless I'm controlling a member of the team and doing the action myself, they don't seem to do certain action at times when they would make sense. Can I command individuals in any way?

Cheers. I know I come off as just being a complaining baby, but I needed to explain myself if I wanna have any hope of getting decent and relevant advice here.

[ozobi]

Ok so let's do this from the top:

Support is helpful, just because you can't zoom in doesn't mean its bad, it's about teamwork not how much kills you can get alone.

If you're going to the tent full force you're already doing wrong, theres a trench and at least 2 patrols on the hill before you can reach the georgian camp in the first mission, they use a mix of civilian and camo hoodies so you're gonna need to pay alot more attention.

The truck part ehh, i haven't played HU in a long time so i dont know anything about that in Iron Dragon, maybe stick to the map and sent 1 soldier alone to scout it out and run back, make a position and ambush the trucks.

You may be right on moving as a team, but leaving behind your squad and just going 2-sniper man team isn't a great idea either, make use of your platoon, flank routes, defensive positions to fall back on, anything.



''achives true hardcore realism, with nonlinear play, real-world physics, and ultra smart AI.''
That's Heroes Unleashed Description, see whats wrong now?

My suggestion, take off that mod, re-do the training and play the entire campaign as it was meant to be played, you will still die a few times probably, depending on your battle tactics.
If you want to truly experience and enjoy GR, just do it like above and then when you have fully completed and learned experiences, battle plans, how to outsmart the original AI, then you are at least experienced to take on Unleashed and maybe even beat it easily
that's all just my opinion imo

[ozobi]

also forgot one thing
''In addition, is there a way to make my teammates prone, or automatically take cover? Seems like unless I'm controlling a member of the team and doing the action myself, they don't seem to do certain action at times when they would make sense. Can I command individuals in any way?''

Yes, and no, you have to use the map and select an position to move them, then you can change their status to stay prone, althought sometimes when a firefight breaks out they will move themselfs to cover and even stay crouched, it's tricky i guess

[Neonetik]

Oh don't get me wrong, I always plays games the normal way the first time around. I'm just testing this out to see how it compares out of interest. I plan to play GR normally, for sure.

How can I change my teams status? I don't recall this in the tutorial or in the menus. There's like, a button for them to fire at will, to not fire, and to... fire a lot? I'm not actually sure what the green (or was it red...) gun option does.

Cheers for the answer.

[ozobi]

Originally posted by Neonetik:

Oh don't get me wrong, I always plays games the normal way the first time around. I'm just testing this out to see how it compares out of interest. I plan to play GR normally, for sure.

How can I change my teams status? I don't recall this in the tutorial or in the menus. There's like, a button for them to fire at will, to not fire, and to... fire a lot? I'm not actually sure what the green (or was it red...) gun option does.

Cheers for the answer.

Check page 20, Rules of Engagement

[Neonetik]

Right, cheers for that, so I found the description of what the RoE are, but to be honest, it's not all that helpful.

Assault - Tells your fireteams to shoot on
sight. This is the default setting, and is
signified by the silhouette of a pistol.

Suppress - Tells you fireteam to shoot
on the suspicion that hostiles are nearby.
They’ll lay down a great deal of fire,
but not very accurately. Suppress is
signified by the silhouette of a pistol
above a plus sign.

Aren't these just the same thing as one another? Shoot on sight? Shoot on suspicion of hostiles? Does the second one mean that they'll just shoot randomly around everywhere, with no accuracy to boot, even if there are no enemies or something? That can't be right.

[Nemesis]

its 2017 but its still valid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o3bBLuWaWg&t=35s&ab_channel=reficuldrolreficuldrol

[Neonetik]

I've gone through a few (like 3) missions on the regular version of the game, and then again with heroes unleashed. I have one more question, though it's a sizable one, specifically for Heroes Unleashed.

Each soldier has like 350 kits or whatever, but it honestly feels like, in a game like this, anything without a scope that can magnify is just straight up inferior. Enemies notice you from so far away and basically instakill with one shot. Like, seriously. It feels like the only options from the kit selection worth picking are the first 10 (at least for riflemen), because at least that primary weapon actually lets you zoom in an exceptional distance, and lets you be able to reliably aim and fire at targets, unlike everything else, where you'd have better luck trying to hit a fly with a dart than trying to aim and hit at the 3 pixels kms off in the distance.

Can I ask, what am I doing wrong here? I know there's no way that this creator of this mod put in all that effort to make so many kits usable only to have 99% of them be worthless comparatively, so I need to know, in what situations would I use the other kits that only have weapons WITHOUT these high powered scopes? I honestly can't really see any meaningful difference between all the various assault rifles (all fire bullets quickly and accurately and basically kill immediately), so why wouldn't I just pick the option that actually lets me see what I'm shooting from an absurd (and necessary) distance away? Same applies to all the kits with primary weapons that AREN'T assault rifles. Like, why choose anything with a shotgun/grenade launcher as a primary if I can get it as a secondary and have a far, FAR more generally effective weapon in my primary slot? Everything dies in one shot regardless most of the time, so like, why not always have the primary choice be a weapon that has a higher clip, far more range, and faster firing speed, ESPECIALLY when the other choices can still be taken as secondaries anyway? Heck, the support class as a whole feels kinda useless due to this reason, with no magnification scopes or anything.

Cheers.

[Nemesis]

Personally i would say it's simple. Play the Original Game first. Then the 2 expansions. Then Heroes!. Your trying to get your cake and eat it too. Small steps and you WILL get the Ghost Recon feel... that is what every one talks about.

This game has made it's self into the "best of all time" catagory because your not surpose to get rich quick here.

Slow and tactfull in game complete, not ingame instant.

Heroes is meant for people who have exausted ALL of ghost recon.
And that's not meant to be a dis. It's meant to be a "learn and you will achieve" statement.
If you bypass and dive head long into Heroes without FULLY experiencing the Origin of the game you will get a lower reward just like your typing.

It's not a dic move Get Gud Son. It's a Get Involved Completely.

Trust me.

This Game is Pure - Persistence = The Best Experience to Date.

[Mr. Freeman]

I have a lot of hours in Heroes Unleashed. Yes, magnification for certain missions help, however if you have no magnification freaking shoot a lot then. For ROE, Red means Halt while moving to position, yellow means proceed at caution, move up when it makes sense, Green means they are moving to position even if they get shot. You will need to micro manage your AI, they will not take cover. So, set your waypoints, do the yellow facing movement so you can cover one team while the other advances. The enemy are actually very smart, and you will need to be very vigilant, because it may seem like they're seeing you from no where or through trees and vegetation and its because they're probably seeing your legs and such. They can see you from pretty decent range, but for me its not that much of a problem but I think its because I go crouch most of the time. The enemy will suppress and flank you and request reinforcements. If you've been discovered those trucks will show up on the first mission. If you haven't killed all patrols on the map they will go to exfil point and wait for you. They will suppress, bound, and flank. I think you're going too slow to be honest, you need to move faster and move often. Don't trust trees and vegetation to hide you, trust hard cover. In CQB lean a lot. You just have to get used to the game, and honestly standard Ghost Recon is harder than Heroes Unleashed because Standard has aimbot shoot a flies wings off at 100m, where as heores unleashed in my experience is they shoot bursts.

Also while there are objectives on the map, you need to first recon the area to get to them. If you're just blindly running by patrols or bunkers you're gonna get an ass kicking from behind. First objective: Get to the objective! I hope this helps. To me this is the best game there ever is with heroes unleashed.

[Neonetik]

Haven't played for a bit (either the normal game or HU) due to having my computer sent off for repair, but this info is useful!

Your answer about magnification surprises me a bit. So... it really is just that simple then? There's genuinely basically no reason NOT to use a high magnification weapon? ♥♥♥♥ man, what an absolute waste of time all those other choices are then. Absolutely bizarre that the creator of the mod would spend all that time making all those kits and stuff when so much of it is just useless.