Basement add-on's

[Samoth]

Refrigerated storage, large vats that are used for the drink taps. Wells and food prep.Prep kitchens. Storage for hotel business.

[komi]

What exactly do you mean by "refrigerated storage"? This game seems to be set in a pseudo-medieval society so refrigerators as we know them would look out of place and anachronistic. Unless you're referring to something like an old-fashioned ice box...

I know the game isn't exactly historical, but it's still got a certain aesthetic that I wouldn't want to see ruined with something like modern refrigerators or whatever.

[Samoth]

ofc I mean Ice-boxes.

[krunjar]

While the concept of refrigeration is recent the concept of cold storage for food isn't. And basements being surrounded by cold earth and away from the warming light of the sun. Were often ideal for food preservation If they could be kept dry. Such places were called larders. There's nothing really technically sophisticated about it. Any place naturally cool or dry would do. I mean what do you think inspired the thought process that even led to the refrigerator? In short we understood that keeping food cold was good and endeavoured to keep it that way long before we actually invented the electric fridge.

The people of the time learned how to get those conditions and constructed basements or other buildings to serve AS larders. Our medieval ancestors may not have had access to the technology we have. But they were just as smart as us. And applied themselves in ingenious ways to make their lives better even WITHOUT modern conveniences lol. Of course refrigeration IS better and more convenient at the job. But without cold storage many areas of the planet could not have supported humans over winter.

You can actually see this reflected in the countries cuisine. Look at African or Middle eastern culture and you will see a lot of dried foods. Dried jerky, fish, fruits, bean. Since they couldn't keep food cold they had to dry it. And then look at surstromming. That TECHNICALLY edible abomination could only have considered food in the starving winter of it's native lands XD

What refrigeration REALLY allowed was for food to be TRANSPORTED over long distances without spoiling. Because of course you can refrigerate a truck but you can't move a larder XD

[Samoth]

one easy fact for folks to relate to is the consistence in the earth's temp. And as this other person highlights, any underground spot would mostly be ideal. The earth itself keeps a pretty steady 68F, as long as direct sunlight can be avoided it will stay.

If only to diffuse the discourse, another tiny bit to contemplate is that ice used to be big business. Some may assume having to go to a pole would be excessive. But the answer would be that any elevation high enough can simulate the same effect. Countries that had access to natural mountain ranges had and gave birth to great ice distribution companies

[komi]

OP said "refrigerated" which is why I asked for clarification. Larders/cellars might be cold, but they ain't "refrigerated" by any definition we'd use today. Just wanted to be sure we weren't asking for something that wouldn't fit the aesthetic of the game, like a refrigerator.

Anyway I agree that being able to set aside a basement room as a cold-storage larder full of food could be a nice touch.

[krunjar]

Originally posted by komi:

OP said "refrigerated" which is why I asked for clarification. Larders/cellars might be cold, but they ain't "refrigerated" by any definition we'd use today. Just wanted to be sure we weren't asking for something that wouldn't fit the aesthetic of the game, like a refrigerator.

Anyway I agree that being able to set aside a basement room as a cold-storage larder full of food could be a nice touch.

You're mistaken here I'm afraid, Surely you've heard people using frozen or refrigerated to refer to states of just being cold?

refrigerate
verb
gerund or present participle: refrigerating

subject (food or drink) to cold in order to chill or preserve it, typically by placing it in a refrigerator.
"refrigerate the dough for one hour"

By the oxford definition. The act of refrigeration is not the same as a refrigerator. It is in fact the PROCESS of keeping food cold. And though commonly associated with the modern day refrigerate-OR this word is in fact it's own special little snowflake. And predates the modern convenience.

I mean it makes sense if you think of it. Why when naming the Refrigerator would you make up a word like Refrigerate to describe what it does? That makes ZERO sense. It's far more logical to assume that Refrigerate was already a common word. And they just called it a Refrigerator. I.E Something that Refrigerates.

In point of fact the root meaning of the term is in latin. From refrīgerāre to make cold. So the words ancestor was around during the time of the Roman empire. It goes THAT far back XD

And they didn't say they wanted a fridge they said .. Refrigerated storage. But your mind immediately assumed they were an idiot. That's .. not good.

If I am assuming that the person I'm talking to is not .. in fact .. a blithering idiot. It's a lot more likely to assume that they were simply referring to the act of storing something at cold temperatures through a modern lens. Rather than that he was an idiot. Making the farcical assumption that fridges exist in the middle ages.

You should be a bit more careful with that. I know the internet can make it seem different. But most people are in fact smart enough at LEAST to know that there weren't fridges in ye olde medieval timeys. I've seen the most RIDICULOUS arguments break out over nonsense like this.

I'm not trying to be an ass here either. I don't blame you for not knowing. Education these days is ass. But you should try and curb the habit of thinking you know something when you don't. And not only that but something a quick google search could have told you. When you encounter something that challenges what you know your first step should be checking if it's correct. Not attacking it because it disagrees with what you think to be true.

Assuming someone is a fool is the best way to become one. I don't know who said that .. maybe it's me but there's truth there.