What EA/DICE should do next.

[Larry]

Go back to basics and release a remaster of Battlefield 3. Do the campaign, the co-op missions, the multiplayer. Everything. Just remaster it with all the content released for it, see how it's received as it is and make the next battlefield based on the reception. If it has 20k players after a month or two of launching you've got a clear indication that it's a winning formula to follow for the next big release.

And make it cost 30-40 quid. I'm all for cheaper games but 20 bucks for a game that has so much content(BF3 with all the expansions had A LOT of content, keep in mind) and getting remastered would seem a bit too cheap.

[Blitz4]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Larry:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Azoniar:

Whats the obsession with remakes these days?

Games were better back then. They were made to be fun and not to sell a service. You bought a game, played whenever you felt like it and the games were designed around that ethos.

BF3 was the first main entry with a big evolution of destruction. Bad Company 2(probably one of the best entries to be honest) really upped the anti with destruction. And Back to Karkand was the single best DLC for a multiplayer game ever. It's ironic but the devs knew exactly what to give players: They gave four legendary maps from the BF series, updated them from the ground up, added more weapons, vehicles, aircraft, everything.

Just look at this trailer for one map, Strike at Karkand:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjTmieRMKjo

That's how the map actually played out. Proper urban warfare. Very cinematic. Compare that gameplay to BF2042 and tell me which is better. A DLC pack from 2011 or a game from 2022.

The biggest immediate standout difference from BF3 and BF4 is the map design. These games were honed to be enjoyable, iconic maps you could replay over and over from different roles for hundreds of hundreds of hours. BF2042 hasn't a single standout map and the only one that is actually okay is very boring in design(The one in Sweeden that's incredibly linear push/pull).

Ten years ago game developers made games because they were interested in making games. These days people in games development get into it because they couldn't find jobs as programmers in companies like Google or Hedgefunds. It's not a passion or even something they're at all interested in.

Games have gotten worse. Because profits are more important than creating good games, than respecting your devs. And the people holding the money think it's oh so easy. Over the past few years we have seen them try and fail over and over.

I have no clue how there's no union for devs yet. They're being treated like contractors when it's what they know about how the thing they built for you is what's valuable.

So play older games. That's was we all should be doing. Let the kids with their first PC follow companies that just disrespect their customers and employees over and over. Which games though? There in lies the issue.

We need that cannon fodder newbie with their first PC to make the game fun. But that's because the game is designed to die over and over and over. All you need is a full server in older games or some similar-type of multiplayer game. This vid is how I started to enjoy games again and not care about a games age. (There's a reason I'm linking a reaction video).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqyyGsrCYwc


Then if you do this for a dead live service game or multi-player game, ask what's needed to make the game like it felt like at launch or in that trailer. Work backwards from that and get to where you are now. Fire up OBS and make a video just showing the gameplay in BF3. You don't even need to add voice, just recording the game and whatever you hear or say in game would be all that's needed. There's people not playing BF games that would jump right into BF3 or the older games if it looked fun and they knew they could have a good time.

[𝔰𝔦𝔤𝔦𝔫𝔞 ✝]

DICE deserves to find a new home outside of EA, considering the challenges they've had to navigate within the studio.

[PhatPhuc69]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Cooper:

DICE deserves to find a new home outside of EA, considering the challenges they've had to navigate within the studio.

battlefield 2042 was actually all dice's fault. the specialists the battlepass, the originally being a battle royale all came from dice themselves. No ones going to wanna buy this studio lol

[OzyMan👽]

"What EA/DICE should do next"
they should remove the ea launcher

[GrizzGolf]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Phantom Limb:

EA doesn't learn from the previous mistakes, so you should not expect much from the next BF title.

Agree.

I'm still a little mad about this visual recoil no one asked for

[𝔰𝔦𝔤𝔦𝔫𝔞 ✝]

Oprindeligt skrevet af PhatPhuc69:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Cooper:

DICE deserves to find a new home outside of EA, considering the challenges they've had to navigate within the studio.

battlefield 2042 was actually all dice's fault. the specialists the battlepass, the originally being a battle royale all came from dice themselves. No ones going to wanna buy this studio lol

The main problem stems from EA executives focusing on pleasing shareholders. Their actions caused many experienced team members to leave, leaving an inexperienced team to develop a product that underwent numerous design changes using an unfamiliar engine. I'm saying this because I know a few people working there. DICE's current team was left to deal with the aftermath of EA's decisions, as the mass departure was due to intolerable working conditions. The poor quality of the product cannot be solely attributed to DICE, ultimately, it was influenced by EA's actions.

[Blueknight719]

Oprindeligt skrevet af PhatPhuc69:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Cooper:

DICE deserves to find a new home outside of EA, considering the challenges they've had to navigate within the studio.

battlefield 2042 was actually all dice's fault. the specialists the battlepass, the originally being a battle royale all came from dice themselves. No ones going to wanna buy this studio lol

Microsoft said hold my beer.
That’s what I thought when Microsoft bought Activision/Blizzard and yet they did.

[Erick]

I don't exactly expect Battlefield to make a comeback after this game, that said the series definitely needs to go back to basics. A remaster/remake of BF3 and/or BF4 with all their multiplayer content would sound like the best way for EA to see that people do want Battlefield, just not whatever the hell 2042 is.

Didn't helped that just when they were getting some good reception with the Pacific update for Battlefield 5, they just dropped the game to get everyone working on Battlefield 2042 and we all know what happened with this game. Sure BF2042 goes on sale a lot and all but it's hard to be interested in a game that basically won't get any major updates anymore and it has better previous installments.

[xmike2112]

Oprindeligt skrevet af v^v^v^v^√\/:

Oprindeligt skrevet af xmike2112:

Nope......Everything I said is true
Back in the ole Battlelog days Dice devs and EA employees were highly active with the community on Battlelog....That info came straight out of a Dice employees mouth

Yeah of course, "Dice employee" told you that BF4 was only 30Hz tickrate. Sure dude. Please tell us more telltales.

say what ????
Google is your friend
I also had Dice employees on my friends list as well as an EA employee.....
Im also friends with a Battlelog moderator who's now doing it for Steam.
Wont say who that is unless he chimes in on the thread/comment.
He can verify everything I said

[DEAD MEAT]

Truth is back in 2011 the chances were better that some of the Dev's actually played the game. Today chances are none of them do. that goes for pretty much all games. That is the root of all evils in the games of today. It's really just that simple. The producers since the very beginning did not game maybe did not really get what was going on but as long as the stuff sold they were happy just to be the money guys backing up productions and left the details up to others. Now even that has changed most producers won't let their own children for example touch the stuff. They have the mentality more of a drug dealer and the first rule is don't use the crap you are pushing. If a Dev. someplace did actually play the stuff and tried to make a stand about something because they actually did play it they get this ...
"Who's side are you on anyway" and probably be out of a job.
The Dev's of today more often than not do not play the stuff they just make it. The work assignments are such that almost nobody cares at all about the finished overall product just the compartmentalized part they have been assigned and are more likely to say "that's not my job" when something does not work. As long as what they were responsible for passes QC they are done.
Harsh ... but that's just the way it is.
They don't play this stuff, they just sell it.
They are clueless as to how well it functions without some testers telling them.
It's just a paycheck.

[v^v^v^v^√\/]

Oprindeligt skrevet af xmike2112:

Oprindeligt skrevet af v^v^v^v^√\/:

Yeah of course, "Dice employee" told you that BF4 was only 30Hz tickrate. Sure dude. Please tell us more telltales.

say what ????
Google is your friend
I also had Dice employees on my friends list as well as an EA employee.....
Im also friends with a Battlelog moderator who's now doing it for Steam.
Wont say who that is unless he chimes in on the thread/comment.
He can verify everything I said

All in vain cos you don't even know basic facts about the games you are talking about. What a waste of your "sources".

[Blitz4]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Cooper:

DICE deserves to find a new home outside of EA, considering the challenges they've had to navigate within the studio.

dice is a studio owned by ea if im not mistaken


even then

if the leak is correct. then those that made battlefield have left and are working on other games now. for them to expect the same timelines and level of quality from newbies to the game is insulting. and we don't need the same level of quality. they failed 2 games in a row, no company in modern times does this. they're lucky to survive 1 failed game. we don't need the same level of quality no. we need better than the best for their next game and by my calculations if the game releases before 2027 or has under half a billion spent on it, it won't be that.

[𝔰𝔦𝔤𝔦𝔫𝔞 ✝]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Blitz4:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Cooper:

DICE deserves to find a new home outside of EA, considering the challenges they've had to navigate within the studio.

dice is a studio owned by ea if im not mistaken

That's why I made the comment.

[Bfloo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Blitz4:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Cooper:

DICE deserves to find a new home outside of EA, considering the challenges they've had to navigate within the studio.

dice is a studio owned by ea if im not mistaken


even then

if the leak is correct. then those that made battlefield have left and are working on other games now. for them to expect the same timelines and level of quality from newbies to the game is insulting. and we don't need the same level of quality. they failed 2 games in a row, no company in modern times does this. they're lucky to survive 1 failed game. we don't need the same level of quality no. we need better than the best for their next game and by my calculations if the game releases before 2027 or has under half a billion spent on it, it won't be that.

It isn't the budget, they are focusing spending on advertising.

[Ray]

You can write a 10 page essay on how to make Battlefield better and DICE would still go with microtransaction infested, empty fields instead of maps, 2nd hand Call of Duty with 90 percent crap filled battle pass.

All they have to do is make a modern Battlefield 4, but they would still screw it up. It is not all bad though since I would add another Battlefield game to my collection after an 80 percent discount.