Thought it would be a successor to C&C

[Kenpachi11]

It's a pretty bad game which is unfortunate. Looks pretty but the balance of units is laughably bad. Rifleman taking out 5 tanks with bullets smh, guess back to kanes wrath.

[jonoliveira12]

It is the successor to C&C.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfr_frrNksY&ab_channel=Bikerushownz

[jonoliveira12]

By the way, in Red Alert 2, 2 conscripts can beat a Tank with just shooting machineguns. Old C&Cs were exactly like this, everything was made of vapour, and units died very quickly, which is why RA1 was dominated by Light Tank rush.

Generals and Tib Wars/Kane's Wrath were the exceptions on what C&C was supposed to play as.

[BrutalGlory]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

By the way, in Red Alert 2, 2 conscripts can beat a Tank with just shooting machineguns. Old C&Cs were exactly like this, everything was made of vapour, and units died very quickly, which is why RA1 was dominated by Light Tank rush.

Generals and Tib Wars/Kane's Wrath were the exceptions on what C&C was supposed to play as.

My dude, you're all over the forums saying that Bikerushownz, a guy best known for playing tib 3 is saying it's the new C&C. Then you go and bash C&C tib 3 and RA3 by calling them exceptions? You basically discrediting your own source as an authority here.

I think you need to chill on the hype a little bit. Form your own opinion; don't latch onto his just because he's a known player in the community.

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by BrutalGlory:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

By the way, in Red Alert 2, 2 conscripts can beat a Tank with just shooting machineguns. Old C&Cs were exactly like this, everything was made of vapour, and units died very quickly, which is why RA1 was dominated by Light Tank rush.

Generals and Tib Wars/Kane's Wrath were the exceptions on what C&C was supposed to play as.

My dude, you're all over the forums saying that Bikerushownz, a guy best known for playing tib 3 is saying it's the new C&C. Then you go and bash C&C tib 3 and RA3 by calling them exceptions? You basically discrediting your own source as an authority here.

I think you need to chill on the hype a little bit. Form your own opinion; don't latch onto his just because he's a known player in the community.

I did not bash anything, Did not even say anything about RA3.
All I said was: "Generals and Tib Wars/Kane's Wrath were the exceptions on what C&C was supposed to play as."

Older C&C, from C&C1 to Red Alert 2, played almost exactly like Tempest Rising, when it came to speed, and flimsy units.

Aso if you watch the video, he literally says the problem with the RTS community is the extreme elitism, everyone just wants their game, and never gives anything else a shot.

[BrutalGlory]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Originally posted by BrutalGlory:

My dude, you're all over the forums saying that Bikerushownz, a guy best known for playing tib 3 is saying it's the new C&C. Then you go and bash C&C tib 3 and RA3 by calling them exceptions? You basically discrediting your own source as an authority here.

I think you need to chill on the hype a little bit. Form your own opinion; don't latch onto his just because he's a known player in the community.

I did not bash anything, Did not even say anything about RA3.
All I said was: "Generals and Tib Wars/Kane's Wrath were the exceptions on what C&C was supposed to play as."

Older C&C, from C&C1 to Red Alert 2, played almost exactly like Tempest Rising, when it came to speed, and flimsy units.

Aso if you watch the video, he literally says the problem with the RTS community is the extreme elitism, everyone just wants their game, and never gives anything else a shot.

Except older C&C titles don't play like Tempest Rising. Tempest Rising has (or at least attempts to have) an emphasis on unit abilities. Now, i took the phrase "exceptions" to be a dig at the games, but even if it wasn't a dig it's still saying that C&C *shouldn't* play that way. And those are still the games bikerushownz is known for playing.

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by BrutalGlory:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

I did not bash anything, Did not even say anything about RA3.
All I said was: "Generals and Tib Wars/Kane's Wrath were the exceptions on what C&C was supposed to play as."

Older C&C, from C&C1 to Red Alert 2, played almost exactly like Tempest Rising, when it came to speed, and flimsy units.

Aso if you watch the video, he literally says the problem with the RTS community is the extreme elitism, everyone just wants their game, and never gives anything else a shot.

Except older C&C titles don't play like Tempest Rising. Tempest Rising has (or at least attempts to have) an emphasis on unit abilities. Now, i took the phrase "exceptions" to be a dig at the games, but even if it wasn't a dig it's still saying that C&C *shouldn't* play that way. And those are still the games bikerushownz is known for playing.

Go back and play C&C Remastered. It plays a lot like this game. Unit abilities are from Generals/Tib Wars, but balance, speed and game flow is exactly like old C&C.

Also you really do not use most unit abilities in thsi game, you use the units themselves very basic.

[TrIpMo]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Originally posted by BrutalGlory:

Except older C&C titles don't play like Tempest Rising. Tempest Rising has (or at least attempts to have) an emphasis on unit abilities. Now, i took the phrase "exceptions" to be a dig at the games, but even if it wasn't a dig it's still saying that C&C *shouldn't* play that way. And those are still the games bikerushownz is known for playing.

Go back and play C&C Remastered. It plays a lot like this game. Unit abilities are from Generals/Tib Wars, but balance, speed and game flow is exactly like old C&C.

Also you really do not use most unit abilities in thsi game, you use the units themselves very basic.

This game feels more like Starcraft then C&C. OK I cannot recall old C&C games like C&C1, RA1, RA2, etc. I only play Generals Zero Hour, but sadly this game isn't even close to anything how Generals is played.

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by TrIpMo:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Go back and play C&C Remastered. It plays a lot like this game. Unit abilities are from Generals/Tib Wars, but balance, speed and game flow is exactly like old C&C.

Also you really do not use most unit abilities in thsi game, you use the units themselves very basic.

This game feels more like Starcraft then C&C. OK I cannot recall old C&C games like C&C1, RA1, RA2, etc. I only play Generals Zero Hour, but sadly this game isn't even close to anything how Generals is played.

Because it is not Generals, ir is like all the C&Cs taht came before Generals.

It is also nothing like Starcraft, Starcraft was slower than C&C.

[Cat]

All C&C games before generals, the basic infantry can destroy anything on the ground with ease in large numbers. The problem was it is even easier to crush them with vehicles or use AOE weapons like flame tanks, artillery, desolator, etc.

[TrIpMo]

Originally posted by Cat:

All C&C games before generals, the basic infantry can destroy anything on the ground with ease in large numbers. The problem was it is even easier to crush them with vehicles or use AOE weapons like flame tanks, artillery, desolator, etc.

Maybe I expected it to be too much of a replacement for my favorite C&C game. :(

[Stunner]

Originally posted by TrIpMo:

Originally posted by Cat:

All C&C games before generals, the basic infantry can destroy anything on the ground with ease in large numbers. The problem was it is even easier to crush them with vehicles or use AOE weapons like flame tanks, artillery, desolator, etc.

Maybe I expected it to be too much of a replacement for my favorite C&C game. :(

Best replacement for generals will always be starcraft, since not even the design was inspired by the first title some of the designers on generals also worked for blizzard at one point or another

[Lotor13]

Originally posted by TrIpMo:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Go back and play C&C Remastered. It plays a lot like this game. Unit abilities are from Generals/Tib Wars, but balance, speed and game flow is exactly like old C&C.

Also you really do not use most unit abilities in thsi game, you use the units themselves very basic.

This game feels more like Starcraft then C&C. OK I cannot recall old C&C games like C&C1, RA1, RA2, etc. I only play Generals Zero Hour, but sadly this game isn't even close to anything how Generals is played.

I played both Starcraft 1 & 2

This feels like C&C for 200%, I do not really see aspects from Starcraft - and I love Starcraft for its SP campaign

As was mentioned above, active abilities are part of C&C - were introduced in Tiberian Wars / Red Alert 3. also Red Alert 2 had few abilities - Yuri has psionic storm aside of mind control ("main attack"), US infantry has 2 modes, same with soviet hellicotpter, or NOD tank from Tiberian Sun..


The point is, that Tempest Rising is not -specific- C&C remake, what many paople complain - "Tempest Rising is different from Red Alert 2 / original 1997 C&C / Generals / C&C3 Kane wrath !!!" etc

Tempest Rising uses C&C formula and doing same things in "own way", and this is also case of other C&C games.

If You compare Red Alert 1&2&3 - all use C&C formula, but do same things in "own way"

[Scorch]

Originally posted by Lotor13:

I played both Starcraft 1 & 2

This feels like C&C for 200%, I do not really see aspects from Starcraft - and I love Starcraft for its SP campaign

Some elements reminded me SC2 for sure, like units popcap, siege tanks, that mechanic about building up and exploiting tiberium tempest overflow is somewhat similar to Protoss Feedback. And the way, the units tend to blob and can't shoot on the move is also very similar to SC2 combat.

[Kim Jong-Un]

unfortunatly its more a successor to Starcraft in a C&C optics. So sad

[Monstervillia]

Originally posted by TrIpMo:

Maybe I expected it to be too much of a replacement for my favorite C&C game. :(

this is more like red alert 2 than Generals, if you want generals succesor try global conflagration. that game is basically generals mix with CoH.