Lava's plans to change dragon warrior statues is horrible

[Chaos]

Not sure if Lava actually reads the steam discussions, but his recently announced plan to make changes to dragon statues is a genuinely horrible idea.

So, for those of you who don't know, Lava recently posted the following on the Official Idleon Discord:

Originally posted by LavaFlame2:

Public Service Announcement:
Gloomie mushrooms will be dropping the new VILLAGER statue instead of Dragon Warrior.
A new cavern in the next update will be dropping Dragon Warrior statue.

Your Dragon Warrior statue levels will turn into villager statue levels (as dragon warrior statues will be harder to get, and villager statues easier to get)

Let me preface this by saying while I have unlocked the gloomie cavern, I currently have a grand total of 0 Dragon Warrior statues, so my disagreement with this change is not coming from being being salty about losing anything because it literally won't affect me, but it will however affect a decent portion of the player base for a number of reasons.

So the biggest problem with this is that Dragon Warrior statues have such a massive effect on gameplay that if they are taken away from people who currently have them, it would be a MASSIVE handicap on them and likely kneecap their progression for months if not years depending on how hard it will be to get the new dragon warrior statues. My friend has dragon warrior statues up to increasing his statue bonuses by 200%, so if he loses them it will quite literally cut pretty much all of his stats and progression by half. This includes sneaky statues which according to him are pretty much the only way mastery 3+ is possible in sneaking and the people who are at mastery 3 or higher will pretty much get completely stuck in sneaking if their DW statue progress get removed.

Now, that particular issue might not be as bad depending on what Lava means when he says the new DW statues will be "harder to get." If he simply means that they will be the same drop rate of 1 per 100k but in a farther cavern, then it won't be as bad. However, if they will not only be in a farther cavern but also a significantly lower drop rate... yeah, that will be a massive problem for pretty much all endgame players as it could quite literally take them YEARS to get back to the level of DW they currently have, which means their progression would be pretty much kneecapped for that same amount of time.

The second issue is that Lava is seemingly going to just completely wipe DW statue progress, which is a problem because the people who have a decent amount of DW statues have likely spent large amounts of time farming those, time that while it won't be wasted will have now been used to level up a statue that players might not have wanted to put so much time into leveling. Villager XP is obviously not as good of a bonus as % statue bonus so people who spent literal hundreds of hours farming DW statues probably wouldn't have done the same farming Villager XP stautes. Additionally, unless he didn't mention it in the announcment, it seems that Lava doesn't have any intention of making the new Villager XP statue onyxed if you already have the DW statue onyxed meaning people will have to farm even more Villager XP statues to onyx it, which according to my friend it took him almost 1000 of farming at gloomies to onyx DW and if the Villager XP statues have the same drop rate, it will likely take EVEN LONGER to onyx Villgaer XP because of being at further gloomie levels and therefore them having more health, therefore less kills per hour, therefore less statues.

Now, this problem could easily be fixed by instead of simply converting DW levels to Villager XP levels and symbolically giving the middle finger to players who've spent time farming them, perhaps make it so that the number of total DW statues deposited on each player (both for levels and onyxing) multiplied out into an average time it took to get them (say on average if you have it onyxed for 20000 statues and then perhaps an additional 30000 statues deposited above that, and it takes on average one hour to get a DW statue, that equates to 50k hours of DW progress) and then apply that amount of hours to the average time to get the new statues, first applying that new number to onyx if there are enough to onyx, then applying the rest to leveling (so if the new DW statues have 1/2 the drop rate of the old ones, that 50k statues becomes the equivalent of 25k statues, with 20k going towards onyx and then the remaining 5k going towards leveling.)

It doesn't matter if the developer believes that certain things are unbalanced, any time you take away anything from the players, especially stats or their time, they're not going to like it. I'm not saying Lava shouldn't change DW statues because I also agree they are pretty busted, but there are far better options than his current plan and I genuinely think he needs to think this through better.

[satsubatsu347]

Sounds like a good way to head this off may be to NOT deposit your DW statues until after the change, but who can say?

Edit: If the cries of outrage coming from Reddit are any indication, this will not work either. Lame.

[Hiryukaen]

So what you're saying is whales and long time players have been able to make progress and unintentionally rates for the past 3 months, but have been given notice that the change is happening so they have the ability to capitalize on their buffed status to mitigate the coming change/nerf to prepare for the new content coming in the update?

Long term players with not much else to do but grind in the caverns and whales who swiped credit card on ever changing, in active development early access game are crying.
Oh no. . . anyways. . .

[Chaos]

Originally posted by Hiryukaen:

So what you're saying is whales and long time players have been able to make progress and unintentionally rates for the past 3 months, but have been given notice that the change is happening so they have the ability to capitalize on their buffed status to mitigate the coming change/nerf to prepare for the new content coming in the update?

Long term players with not much else to do but grind in the caverns and whales who swiped credit card on ever changing, in active development early access game are crying.
Oh no. . . anyways. . .

My man, you evidently have no idea what you're talking about because there is no way to pay to get DW statues, you get them from killing a specific mob in caverns.

I get having issues with some aspects of this game being P2W, but cut the nonsense of trying to claim things that are in no way pay to win are. I have paid exactly $0 for this game and I could have, if I felt like it, been farming DW statues for months now. I just haven't because I don't have many other statues to begin with so statue % wouldn't be of much use and I have better things to use my time in game doing. It is entirely possible to have a rather large amount of DW statues without paying a single cent.

And frankly, your opinion of "well, it doesn't effect me so who cares" is legitimately some of the most self-centered, egotistical ♥♥♥♥ I've heard in a while.

[SgtMagikarp]

Originally posted by Hiryukaen:

So what you're saying is whales and long time players have been able to make progress and unintentionally rates for the past 3 months, but have been given notice that the change is happening so they have the ability to capitalize on their buffed status to mitigate the coming change/nerf to prepare for the new content coming in the update?

Long term players with not much else to do but grind in the caverns and whales who swiped credit card on ever changing, in active development early access game are crying.
Oh no. . . anyways. . .

You call this unintentional when he let it go on for actually 4 month with no indication of this being something that he is pondering about?
People have spent a lot of time on these statues and that just being taken away because Lava feels like it might be a precedent for how he is gonna handle that stuff in the future.
Just because it doesn't effect you very much, doesn't mean you can belittle the time investment people have put into these.

[Ov Å̪e̞oη̣s]

TLDR but so what? It's just getting shifted and most people will have the new dropping mob instantly unlocked. It IS pretty strong. I spent pretty minimal time getting it to 184% bonus. I really have no idea why would would be upset, it's just a game, and it's not like it is getting axed. AND he gave a massive heads up.

[(ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)งBonesMcSpook]

Massive boost taken away and replaced with other, different boosts.
More at 7

[Hank Schrader]

I read about it and my reaction was 'whatever'. So long as Lava continues to develop and improve the game then that's fine by me; he's done a great job so far.

[Ov Å̪e̞oη̣s]

Originally posted by (ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)งBonesMcSpook:

Massive boost taken away and replaced with other, different boosts.
More at 7

But it's not gone? It's shifted down the hole line.

[(ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)งBonesMcSpook]

Originally posted by Ov Å̪e̞oη̣s:

Originally posted by (ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)งBonesMcSpook:

Massive boost taken away and replaced with other, different boosts.
More at 7

But it's not gone? It's shifted down the hole line.

Thats what I was thinking. Or same thing from another source

[Ov Å̪e̞oη̣s]

Originally posted by (ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)งBonesMcSpook:

Originally posted by Ov Å̪e̞oη̣s:

But it's not gone? It's shifted down the hole line.

Thats what I was thinking. Or same thing from another source

Yeah it will be a new mob from a new hole level, I will assume the the DR will be a little harder since it IS really strong.

[SgtMagikarp]

Originally posted by Ov Å̪e̞oη̣s:

Originally posted by (ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)งBonesMcSpook:

Thats what I was thinking. Or same thing from another source

Yeah it will be a new mob from a new hole level, I will assume the the DR will be a little harder since it IS really strong.

The update appears to add a new base drop item to the drop table of the monsters that will drop the dragon statue again, so multikill will most likely no longer work for dragon statues.
If thats the case, even at the current DR, it will take a massive amount of time to get these statues back.

[Itty Bitty Diddy]

who cares? this affects like .01% of the playerbase, and it's OP af. the whole game going forward would need to be designed around having tons of those statues. goofy. get over it.

[Chaos]

Originally posted by P.Diddy's Baby Oil:

who cares? this affects like .01% of the playerbase, and it's OP af. the whole game going forward would need to be designed around having tons of those statues. goofy. get over it.

First off, it's laughable that you think only .01% of the playerbase have DW statues.

Secondly, "It doesn't affect me currently, so therefore there isn't a problem" is a ridiculous way of thinking. Pretty sure there is a famous poem about that.

[Julmara]

lava never gave a single ♥♥♥♥ what anybody was saying and i doubt he be starting now

[bunies]

by YEARS what you actually mean is 1-2 weeks a month tops

stop fear mongering, we get enough of that bs in real life from the news