Stuck in a rut.

[TheMrDarkrider]

As of right now im at w2 working my way to the boss on a barbarian and working towards level 330 so i can do the journey man class of which i already have everything set up for when its ready.

But right now the issue is that the farther i go the more my defense doesnt matter or my damage. Which is obvious for a game like this. So what i need is better gear. The top level gear i can make right now is platinum. But the mine chance for the barb is about 10%. At mosy if i have the ore food equiped i can get 99 plat ore every hour. The based on my math i need at least 2350 plat bars to get the amount needed. Oh not to mention the jellyfish, tropilogs, crabycakes, ceral bugs and the like all of that i havent even gotten started on.

I have looked into the cauldron bubbles and vials but once again its all based on mats that are taking to long.

Im open to any suggestions other then spending irl money on upgrades.

[TheMrDarkrider]

Originally posted by Elenoe:

not really. W2 is the worst in terms of paying attention. W3 is more like the W1 one. Hits hard, but has only few predictable moves you avoid.

Well im just about to get my 7 player. Im at 329 right now and going to make him into the jman and so on so getting gems cards and the like are easier.

I have seen alot of videos with people playing as the alchemist and barbarian and doing loads of damage especially with the barb and some ice hammer. But the hammer doesnt get unlocked till i unlock tier 3 of the anvil.

As i get newer equipment for my first player im slowly moving armor to my second so eventually all my characters will be power scaled to 1 level lower till the end and i get the max of everything.

[Akheira]

Originally posted by archmag:

It's weird. It feels like you are being too careful or missing something. Is your 250 defense with 2nd shrine bonus or without it? Move some shrines to w3 if you don't have them there yet. First one increases your damage, second one HP and Def.

I tried 257 defense vs 418 required defense (snowflakes on the second map) and enemies deal just 5 damage.
On first map 318 defense (257 with 24% shrine) vs 400 required defense (sheep) enemies deals just 1 damage.
After each attack you become invulnerable for 2 seconds and food cooldown is 30 seconds so even farming actively I can overheal with simple pizza that heals 135hp.

For afk I need ~20 pizza per hour if I decide to farm one of those maps without a shrine. With shrine it is just 4 pizzas per hour. I got 12k of them while farming bags for everyone at snakes so I have enough for a long time.

I doubt you have less than 150 max hp at that stage because there are a lot of sources for it that even my archer has 330. 150 max hp and 250 def will be enough to farm using pizzas in afk mode even without shrines. I just got to 330 total levels and you are at 520, you are certainly past the point of where you can start farming w3.

Well, I used my shrines (27% now) to lvl up my new character (+-53 now), but You know if You move shrines it resets Your progress. Soo waiting until they lvl up. And cuz these hungry NPCs/alchemy I'm also without food... but well, I got 50/50 upgrade in dungeon for defence soo it's +50% and also few cards for souls (+% defence from equipment)... soo first map in W3 is safe for me... :)

[Elenoe]

Originally posted by Akheira:

if You move shrines it resets Your progress. Soo waiting until they lvl up.

the lead character should not require shrines as he has the best gear. And if played actively, which he often is, hemoglobin + enough HP means you rarely need any food (usually only when crystal stops on you).

Shrines are good to be moved with a pack of all the other characters that can level together through W3 along shrines. Don't be too sweaty about shrine levels, they mean nothing in W3. You will get level 6-7 even without trying and that's all you need.

And once in W4 any shrine progress you may try-hard now will be put in dust anyway. Getting to W4, training as much class levels as you can.

[Akheira]

Originally posted by Elenoe:

Originally posted by Akheira:

if You move shrines it resets Your progress. Soo waiting until they lvl up.

the lead character should not require shrines as he has the best gear. And if played actively, which he often is, hemoglobin + enough HP means you rarely need any food (usually only when crystal stops on you).

Shrines are good to be moved with a pack of all the other characters that can level together through W3 along shrines. Don't be too sweaty about shrine levels, they mean nothing in W3. You will get level 6-7 even without trying and that's all you need.

And once in W4 any shrine progress you may try-hard now will be put in dust anyway. Getting to W4, training as much class levels as you can.

lvl up shrines = more points = hemoglobin... I have lvl 4-6 shrines and for another task I need 24... without tasks I'm without points for Hemoglobin... I used all points for +20% respawn, drop star talents, amarok gear (+necklace), drop keys, soo 0 points in hemoglobin actually.

W2 last boss You can kill with like 180 armor, but for 0 dmg in first location in W3, You need like 350, 400, 450, 500... defence and I'm with amarok armor. Plat armor gives me like +5 defence in full armor,... and dementia ore is like 0%. All I can do rn is farm items for "Defenders dignity"... even my main character need shrines in W3.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

My advice is get use to food cuz once you get to world 3 you cant take "no damage" with defense alone and its hard for W2 i got stuck in that make sure your food slots have food and this will keep your survival up, but other then that Gold armor is capable of taking out W2 boss and platinum armor is enough for W3, you just have to get into a different mindset if you have 100% accuracy you are probably set to go honestly sometimes the push is slow.

Honestly the journeyman is worth it but everything about that class is a pain, he has the most expensive weapons, the requirements for each promotion are ridiculous amounts of work, and he has the lowest damage in the game, He makes up for that with high gains on skills but overall the hardest class to get places and his class is always done way after the others are done even right now every other class has a 4 tier but he is still stuck on 3rd tier mestro.

Edit: Also as far as armor is concerned i dont like boss armor but the previous worlds boss armor is more then enough to get to the next boss as well, So amarok W1 armor will be enough with W2 stones to make it to Effaunt W2 and Effaunts armor will get to to W3 boss So on... I dont like doing this because Boss armor cant be upgraded anymore thus you have to make a new set when you need to go further rather then just going from iron to gold to plat etc... But its very much an option.

[Akheira]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

My advice is get use to food cuz once you get to world 3 you cant take "no damage" with defense alone and its hard for W2 i got stuck in that make sure your food slots have food and this will keep your survival up, but other then that Gold armor is capable of taking out W2 boss and platinum armor is enough for W3, you just have to get into a different mindset if you have 100% accuracy you are probably set to go honestly sometimes the push is slow.

Honestly the journeyman is worth it but everything about that class is a pain, he has the most expensive weapons, the requirements for each promotion are ridiculous amounts of work, and he has the lowest damage in the game, He makes up for that with high gains on skills but overall the hardest class to get places and his class is always done way after the others are done even right now every other class has a 4 tier but he is still stuck on 3rd tier mestro.

Edit: Also as far as armor is concerned i dont like boss armor but the previous worlds boss armor is more then enough to get to the next boss as well, So amarok W1 armor will be enough with W2 stones to make it to Effaunt W2 and Effaunts armor will get to to W3 boss So on... I dont like doing this because Boss armor cant be upgraded anymore thus you have to make a new set when you need to go further rather then just going from iron to gold to plat etc... But its very much an option.

food... yeah

I agree with jman, tried to write this everytime, but always deleted it... When You read comments like: "Yeah You must create jman." or my 1./6./7. character will be jman." ... (mu ha ha ha)

"going from iron to gold to plat etc." - but gold is just like boss armor, You cannot upgrade gold to plat... it's iron to plat... (well, just for boots it's gold to plat)

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Yeah its all a pain to remember at this point and i havent used gold for awhile either xD but in general i go with the upgradable armor over the boss armor, however a lot of people do it with boss armor it is viable you just have to find what works for you and go with it, and dont be in a major rush to catch up cuz once you do catch up there is very little to do lol

[Elenoe]

Originally posted by Akheira:

I agree with jman, tried to write this everytime, but always deleted it... When You read comments like: "Yeah You must create jman." or my 1./6./7. character will be jman." ... (mu ha ha ha)

but that's the whole point. You "must" create mman not because he magically "saves you". But because he is such pain that you need to start sooner rather then later, because by the time you unlock 10th character you already want maestro to be the "1st" in all 6 relevant skills. You would have seriously hindered your progress if you created maestro as your 10th or if you overleveled any skiller above the absolutelly necessary level. This should be very obvious at the start of W3 and be fixed during early W3 progress.

Otherwise people who keep their skillers AFK all the time wonder why their printer doesn't do a job for them and they only try to force through it with even more skilling AFK. And when they reach W4 they often quit, because lab destroys their idea of gathering mats and progress, or because they can't let the idea of their precious "main" go.

[Elenoe]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Yeah its all a pain to remember at this point and i havent used gold for awhile either xD but in general i go with the upgradable armor over the boss armor, however a lot of people do it with boss armor it is viable you just have to find what works for you and go with it, and dont be in a major rush to catch up cuz once you do catch up there is very little to do lol

Just so you understand the why. Boss armor is generally better and easier to get. The time you really need it you can create it easily. And the main benefit eventually becomes the special trait, not the defense.

The idea of "upgradable" is a bit skewed. It's a remnant from other games not to waste materials. But it doesn't work here well. If you are in W3 you do post office boxes. And you should see how easy is to get copper/iron boots/helms/tools to fulfill the shipment. And this goes on. Before I really needed to consider "oh, I already have the previous version", the platinum/void/dementia armor becomes nothing more then nuisance you have to click through. Never ever consider the cost.

This is a incremental game after all, with automated resource collection. The difference between "let's waste 2 days of grind to get enough platinum" and "so it costs 3k, I have 50k laying around" is very short. Which also means that if you waited few more days you could've saved the 2 days and put them into something that actually needs time to be spent and won't be shortened with just a armor.

Amarok/Efaunt is enough for W4. Chizo is good once you get access to create as many as you want. Not because defense, but because offense. The defense on armor is "a thing" only in W1/W2. It won't do much in W4. And you have the whole W3 to realize that.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by Elenoe:

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Yeah its all a pain to remember at this point and i havent used gold for awhile either xD but in general i go with the upgradable armor over the boss armor, however a lot of people do it with boss armor it is viable you just have to find what works for you and go with it, and dont be in a major rush to catch up cuz once you do catch up there is very little to do lol

Just so you understand the why. Boss armor is generally better and easier to get. The time you really need it you can create it easily. And the main benefit eventually becomes the special trait, not the defense.

The idea of "upgradable" is a bit skewed. It's a remnant from other games not to waste materials. But it doesn't work here well. If you are in W3 you do post office boxes. And you should see how easy is to get copper/iron boots/helms/tools to fulfill the shipment. And this goes on. Before I really needed to consider "oh, I already have the previous version", the platinum/void/dementia armor becomes nothing more then nuisance you have to click through. Never ever consider the cost.

This is a incremental game after all, with automated resource collection. The difference between "let's waste 2 days of grind to get enough platinum" and "so it costs 3k, I have 50k laying around" is very short. Which also means that if you waited few more days you could've saved the 2 days and put them into something that actually needs time to be spent and won't be shortened with just a armor.

Amarok/Efaunt is enough for W4. Chizo is good once you get access to create as many as you want. Not because defense, but because offense. The defense on armor is "a thing" only in W1/W2. It won't do much in W4. And you have the whole W3 to realize that.

No i get it that's why i informed them of both options, i personally don't wanna go back and make new sets of armor its not about wasting at all, i just dont wanna do it right now im packing all 10 characters in lustre armor and a few in the starmetal orange armor. All 10 of my characters are at the end of W4. but if i made troll armor i would have to make all that armor again then the new armors after then next boss on at least 1 character, im certainly not gonna make each set on all 10 characters thats just a waste of my time. For me perosnally i dont find it worth it. i do however understand why people do it and thus i mentioned it as an option. both are viable there is no wrong answer.

[TheMrDarkrider]

Who ever sees this i appreciate the help and ideas. Im slowly working my way though W3 all be it extremely slowly. But for thoses that are still looking for help id advise dms with some people here thatll help guide you :). Luckily someone here has been kind enough to teach me the ropes and help me with certain achievements in dms. But as for right now my concerns is with 3rd anvil tab, unlocking more bubbles and vials and leveling thoses up. Id say at the rate im trying to go trying to get things done itll be a month till im able to farm certain things such as effaunt or even get close to w4 starting area. Wish me luck.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

You also have to remember a lot of us spent months in w2 waiting for w3 launch, so we entered over leveled as where you are coming in at proper levels, it never hurts to find the best xp area you can and grind for a bit. There is also stamps from the piggies quests in previous worlds if you have not done those, the stamps are very useful as well as card farming I would start with the card chance cards like the bullfrog and snailbie (mustache in w3,) those stat boosts can be very helpful for meeting accuracy numbers, or skill efficiency requirements. The set bonuses as well are fantastic, the bosses set bonus is S tier.

[TheMrDarkrider]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

You also have to remember a lot of us spent months in w2 waiting for w3 launch, so we entered over leveled as where you are coming in at proper levels, it never hurts to find the best xp area you can and grind for a bit. There is also stamps from the piggies quests in previous worlds if you have not done those, the stamps are very useful as well as card farming I would start with the card chance cards like the bullfrog and snailbie (mustache in w3,) those stat boosts can be very helpful for meeting accuracy numbers, or skill efficiency requirements. The set bonuses as well are fantastic, the bosses set bonus is S tier.

As for the best places for me right now its the snelbies in w2 for xp and money farming

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Sneilbies is a good place you can get their cards leveled up which is a card drop rate card useful for farming other cards, so not the worst place to be at if you ask me.

[Oka-boomer]

The game scales logarithmic. So make sure you get the stamps, the statues, and the alchemy bonuses whenever possible.
1% stacks greatly everytime you get it, so stack em up