is LavaFlame2 working on a way to make pets more F2P friendly?

[Darthfrosty]

Like the title asks... The pet system is extremly scummy right now the best pet that is currently absolut P2W u need 38 treats to get to the final stage . and then u need 200 pity pulls to get him guaranteed . that would be 238 weeks for F2P ... THATS NEARLY 5 YEARS . i understand that a dev wants to make money. but he said the game is F2P friendly . but that is clearly not true anymore ... u cant even sell your dupes to get some currency . its just wasted weeks (u can sell your buyed dupes for green gems but yea only that) i restartet playing the game after nearly 1 year pause... but after i saw that i just want to stop again . in my oppinion its just a system created for whales . i also read online that lava banns ppl that complain about that in the discord. what would be scummy aswell . i mean just read the negative reviews . maybe i get banned for this tread aswell . we will see it would be way more f2p friendly if he gets the pity to 100 overall . like u need to reach tier 5 what would be 38 treets + 62 pulls afterwards for guaranteed and let us get some green gems back for dupes. it just doesnt feel good to trash them for hot air (he would still make money with that )

[Darthfrosty]

Автор сообщения: (ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)งBonesMcSpook

I didnt need to get 199 free pulls.
Other people didnt need to get 199 free pulls.
You're talking about guaranteed chance. For the least lucky people out there.

So more like .3 years for me to have gotten it.

And I was doing fine without it, am not caring that I have it.
And talking about the game being unplayable is still laughable because I've done all but completionist stuff and pushing myself into endless pointless infinity without it just fine.

There is NOTHING "unplayable" without doot. You're just whining because its slightly faster with doot. That's it. Thats all "pay to win" ever is in these games. To just do something faster. You're not unable to do it without doot. You're just lazy, impatient or dont want to actually engage with mechanics to get somewhere. The only "unplayable" part is competing with level racing against other players. Which isnt what I'd call "unplayable".

again never said its unplayable without him . but its still pay to win .

[(ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)งBonesMcSpook]

My bad I misread your comment.

[bunies]

Автор сообщения: Darthfrosty

Автор сообщения: (ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)งBonesMcSpook

I didnt need to get 199 free pulls.
Other people didnt need to get 199 free pulls.
You're talking about guaranteed chance. For the least lucky people out there.

So more like .3 years for me to have gotten it.

And I was doing fine without it, am not caring that I have it.
And talking about the game being unplayable is still laughable because I've done all but completionist stuff and pushing myself into endless pointless infinity without it just fine.

There is NOTHING "unplayable" without doot. You're just whining because its slightly faster with doot. That's it. Thats all "pay to win" ever is in these games. To just do something faster. You're not unable to do it without doot. You're just lazy, impatient or dont want to actually engage with mechanics to get somewhere. The only "unplayable" part is competing with level racing against other players. Which isnt what I'd call "unplayable".

again never said its unplayable without him . but its still pay to win .

the game has a gem shop, by definition it is pay to win within your logic where anything being obtainable for money is pay 2 win

[(ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)งBonesMcSpook]

Автор сообщения: Gregolo

Автор сообщения: Rinnie

You've been given many over a longer period of time. It hasn't made any difference.

LOL ain't that the truth.

Dude the difference between these guys and you is you chalk your whole argument up to "Im farther than you, you'll get there" and competitive nature

I'm trying to do math to give you an example of why its not as much of a big deal as you chalk it up to be with your 4x damage lie and these people gave actual compelling arguments rather than "You just dont get it because you're not there" and apparently the only metric you've actually said out loud is my achievements of mini-games apparently.

I dont know how 200% total damage can give you a 4x increase but only a 6% to me and you're still farther than me at the same time. But I guess I'm just not there yet. When do I unlock "coins give base damage"?

It still sounds to me like you think every gain you've gotten since doot is 100% solely doot.

I actually have changed how I feel about it but absolutely not the way you care about it. And definitely not with your tone either.

[plankbro]

Автор сообщения: (ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)งBonesMcSpook

" personally think you are underestimating King Doot bonuses. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong because I do not own King Doot and cannot check whether this is true, but based on what I have read King Doot enables all major and minor bonuses, which means we are talking 35% afk gain, 200% total damage, 100% class exp, 150% skill exp, all lab bonuses without losing the character, and even +15 talent lvl, among other things. There are many more bonuses however I believe these take focus for me."

You get the minor bonuses always I'm pretty sure. Just the majors. EDIT: sike I was thinking of passive bonuses

Lets break these down. 200% total damage
Crystal steak (ancient sailing artifact) gives me well over %400-500+ total damage. I probably have about 3-4k% total damage if I had to guess. Maybe more because there are some compounding stuff with like +16% total damage per 100 main stat and whatnot and I'm not doing the math for it all.
Adding 200% total damage is not a 200% damage increase. Its a 6% increase for me.
200% on top of 3k is 6%. I remember how disappointed I was when I upgraded my weapon 3 tiers once (due to salt time gating making me hate myself). I took a before and after screenshot. I thought "NO WAY 10% total damage thats nuts" and then it was kind of a marginal increase. And I didnt really make much progress with it.

I already linked most of my chars to Arcticus so I already had the +15 talent levels and all lab bonuses already lit up. And I was already getting a multiplier to my printer outputs on almost everyone from the lab.

100% class xp, this is a drop in the bucket if you have any class xp at all. this is not "You're now getting xp 100% faster" its a +1 multiplier on your already probably AT LEAST 4x multiplier. For me it was a 10% increase. Much less for skilling xp which was roughly x20 so adding +1.5 is next to nothing.

AFK gains are nice.
Printing boost is nice. I wont argue against these.

+time for secondary skill when logging in, I was already sitting everyone with the big bubble for extra sailing afk gain. Guess what happens when I get all of my characters to proc it?
My 18 chests at a 0.1% chance to get an artifact chests MAYBE turn into 17 chests with a 0.1% and 1 with a 0.11% chance to get an artifact. Incredible. So getting extra time on this is virtually useless. Same with gaming. Same with cooking. Same with pet breeding. Same with everything other than refinery. So I've got a like 1 in 8 chance to proc refinery and get lets just say a 2x increase.
Well my v-man also gets on average like 48 hours of refinery boost from his skill, so if you actually look at the total increase its not a 2x increase. When you consider it's 1 of the 8 systems it can boost, its much less than a 2x increase to refinery output. I'll do some crude math, 2x boost in a 1 in 8 chance is a 25% increase. Roughly divide it by half since I also get a boost from v-man so my total increase is 12%.

This kind of stuff is no different than when I thought I was going to "pull ahead since I got super lucky with the spring capes" then put them on and saw virtually no difference in anything. "but 10% stats is big" yeah it is but it's added on top of other systems which dilute the actual total increase you're getting.

Ever since I got doot I've had my entire fleet going to the same island, getting chests with less than 1% chance to get anything. No matter how many boosts I get I need a massive exponential increase in something or pure luck to advance. Doot does not actually help this in any way shape or form. The amount it helps is I sometimes can get a higher tier chest. Or I can get a couple more chests with less than 0.1% because they didnt stack up as much. Or get more drops in the bucket of gaming points because I dont need +20 hours I need like +3k% more gaiming point gain or some mutation rate.

I dont need 200% total damage, I need to advance some system somewhere. Or onyx my % total damage statue.

Doot did almost nothing for me. And funny enough, right after I got doot, I also got a crystal steak artifact upgrade from sailing from the gem shop from passive income gems and it gave me more damage than doot.

Going back and maxing more of my cooking did more than doot. Which my BB gets ~1k ladles a day, aka 1.7k hours because he has a +70% boost to ladle power. Getting 20 hours of cooking on a 1 in 8 chance is NOTHING compared to what you ACTUALLY need to get anywhere.

People talk about how crystals give x30 xp and gold but doot doesnt touch that at all. Literally at all. I got lucky and got the chip that doubles a card and so I could get more crystals to farm statues. Doot did next to nothing in this regard.

People blow doot out of proportion because when you write the numbers down it looks impressive but like my blood berserker damage went from 26b to 28b or something.

My siege breaker went from like 20b damage to 29b damage by making the move speed and feasty shrine onyx. I didnt even notice a change when I got doot on him.

You're all blowing it out of proportion. Yes its greedy, yes it shouldnt take 4 years to guarantee it. But my god, it is not "Literally playing a different game"
Going bac

I can kind of understand your point here, the bonuses just don't stack up to where you are at in terms of progression, but, I am currently in W5 and these bonuses will skyrocket me, but I will admit that sailing does have some insane bonuses too. Even then I brought this up in my previous post towards the end but one of the biggest problems in the accessibility of King Doot, with the average player claiming him at around 2 years or so.

[(ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)งBonesMcSpook]

And that's what I agree with too n top of just how bad of a system it is and going double currency is scummy. And back when w3 was the cap, getting trailblazer felt insane at the time too.

I'll probably drop out here though.

[(ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)งBonesMcSpook]

Автор сообщения: Lavi

Автор сообщения: Ov Å̪e̞oη̣s

I pulled a doot f2p too, as scummy as the layout was i just played as normal since it does not really effect the end goal of the game, it wont effect my fun regardless. Which is just to aim for things weeks to months away. I am in nooo rush to get things and most people who have everything/high prints are likely cheated accounts.

People like you who don't know what hard work is, shouldn't blanket accuse all higher level accounts as "cheating".

Why would I play a video game pass time hobby as hard as I work?
Thats precisely why I dont care about racing my level against other players.
I used to try hard on idle games I enjoyed especially when there's lots of fun interactions and mechanics that feed into each other.

But then I realized I was basically staring at spreadsheets and doing math every free afternoon and decided to play idle games more casual and not like a business.

Imagine saying someone doesnt know what hard work is because they play a video game casually.

There's an obvious disconnect going on here.

And there are absolutely higher level players that cheated lmao. I've seen people sharing their idelon efficiency accounts before.
multiple billions of prints with level 0 smithing lul

[Corvo]

of course not, that would mean that he would get less money.

[Julmara]

with that recend gacha update cheating probably skyrocket and you can certainly understand why

[Jackx]

why would he? pfft ♥♥♥♥ it youll wait 2 years for your doot. Oh right he's supposed to care... hmmm

[Ov Å̪e̞oη̣s]

My favourite moment is seeing people spend big bucks to get doot and then get doot with the freebie a week or 2 later.

[Zethell]

I wish you could buy the pet currency with gems as well, that way you at least COULD farm for it as f2p as well. I got very lucky and got every pet except doot, I spent 20$, but it looks like I'll either have to grind for a few years or spend a lot more.

[SirCabbage]

Автор сообщения: Darthfrosty

Like the title asks... The pet system is extremly scummy right now... SNIP

It is worse than that; free pulls dont count towards pity pulls.

[Darthfrosty]

Автор сообщения: SirCabbage

Автор сообщения: Darthfrosty

Like the title asks... The pet system is extremly scummy right now... SNIP

It is worse than that; free pulls dont count towards pity pulls.

LEL that is clearly p2w then... unlucky im just a "small" spender.. i like to support devs for their work. but now i dont think it is worth

[Naesala]

I used to stress over the pet system quite a bit at the start as well, but truthfully, it's just another system which you're expected to take years to "complete" in the intended way. If you're not new to the game, then pretty much everything in this game is intended to take you a very long time to "complete", even if you "complete" a world, you will go back to that world for whatever reason, because the system more often than not encourage you to do it at some point, thus making anything and everything in the game to take years to "complete".

Long story short, just see the pet system as another thing which helps you "progress" a lil more or very much more at times. Compared to anvil, stamps, alchemy, world 3 stuff and so on, you will think it will take forever to get something done or get somewhere, it doesn't make or break the game, it's the random progress lottery, thinking of lottery, world 2 pachinko is pretty much the same, except it's actually worth gems.