Pay for autoloot? lol

[AllYourToothbrushAreBelongToUs]

Just started the game. Nevermind the gacha everyone seems to complain about, you people actually paid for such a basic utility?
Garbage game and dev. Uninstall.

[Jack]

Free games always was very expensive

[AllYourToothbrushAreBelongToUs]

If the game was worth $5 then put that price on the game and stop with these cancer microtransactions. But there is always gonna be an army of addicted people defending these trash mechanics.

Dev could put left mouse clicking behind a paywall and there would still be people defending it.

[AllYourToothbrushAreBelongToUs]

I don´t know. Feel like paying money for basic utility was the writing on the wall.
But I know I am talking to people with 1000s of hours in the game.
Microtransactions ease you into the habit of spending a few dollar here and there.

"It´s fine, only 5 dollars." "I enjoy it so it is worth it." - Every addict ever.
A couple of hundred dollars later...

Just listen to the guys paying for pokeballs in pokemon go. XD

[Ov Å̪e̞oη̣s]

I just don't don't active at all unless it's weekly giant hunt or an event. I'm not a try hard trying to get better than everyone else for no reason lol, it will never happen. Stay f2p SUPPOSEDLY a unpaid version of auto loot will enter at some point, maybe a future pet? who knows now lol.

[Tempest]

You bring up good points. I honestly don't have a problem with supporting an indie dev of a game I play with a few gem pack purchases every few months. But the system would be significantly improved by removing gem purchases for a monthly subscription for access to premium bonuses or areas. Not unlike OSRS or other MMOs with free content.

Comparing gatcha and FOMO purchases to a subscription shows the inherent problem: "time spent playing" and "money spent on game" should remain balanced.

[AllYourToothbrushAreBelongToUs]

Yeah, I guess that is the dilemma. The whales make it worthwhile.
And scummy mechanics makes people like me suspicious and thus less eager to spend.

[Jᴧgᴧ]

Originally posted by AllYourToothbrushAreBelongToUs:

Yeah, I guess that is the dilemma. The whales make it worthwhile.
And scummy mechanics makes people like me suspicious and thus less eager to spend.

The problem with "relying on the whales" is that the whales are a vast minority of the gamers that play. The vast majority don't like Lava's tactics, and that's where the reviews have gone. That'll hurt his ability to bring in more whales, and the game's lifespan and profitability as a result.

He had it fine where it was - this Companion update will be the eventual death of the game, simply due to reviews, word of mouth, and his antics coming to light publicly.

[Reinreith]

Just clarity, I've bought every rotating bundle in the shop, did a $20-40 budget buying a banner or two every month for like 5 or so months, so have spent $120-140usd, not whale, but am invested because I enjoyed the game, haven't played since pet update

I didn't have an issue with autoloot because basically the entire game, at least gameplay wise, is free and I'd only actively play to craft/set up afk for yhe first 2 months, so i didnt even use it, I only started to use autoloot when hunting crystal carrot cards on my M-man, and $5 is really cheap compared to other "free" games, I saw it as a way to support development of an actively evolving game/the dev working on it after committing, kinda like a single purchase twitch sub or patreon

Compared to twitch subs I've spent a TON more on supporting friends on there than the $5 for auto loot in the 2 months it took for me to feel like I actually needed it, plus it's not on a 2 month rolling shop

The pet system isn't gameplay, nor is it free, you HAVE to pay to interact with it, and I hate that

Tldr I was fine spending $5 on supporting the games active development, and the occasional $20 bundle, which let me buy multiple in game perks that enhanced the existing gameplay, because I wanted the game to develop and get better, honestly I didn't even know the game was made by one person till a few months in, and you can still unlock these perks slowly through gem drops in game, vs the green gems that are NOT worth it and lock pet "gameplay" behind spending money to gamble on time sensitive slot machines, and not dropped in game

[petaahG]

ya idk i bought it and its kinda worth but only after play a whilke

[strictlySpeaking]

Auto-loot didn't exist for the first year or two of the game, and it's still completely un-necessary, depending on your play-style. Nice to have, like any of the other gem-shop purchases (which really just push your progress along for you without you needing to work as hard for it), most of which you can get for completely free by farming gems in-game for an hour (since you're new, it's actually extremely easy to do, I recommend looking up how many freebie gems are available in the game), but you absolutely don't need it.

If it's not worth your $5, then don't buy it. You don't actually need any of the gem shop purchases, people just end up relying really heavily on them because they allow you to skip through certain chunks of the game. You can get by just fine without paying a single cent, and I have tens of thousands of gems I earned by just playing the game like normal. In fact, if you're in for a proper slow-burn grind, a lot of players used to see how far they could get (and how fast) without making any gem shop purchases at all. I kinda wonder what happened to that mentality, because it's still easy to do with a little effort.

fyi; Lava has already told us that the pet system is going to include in-game (player) trading, which likely means that for those players who choose to pay and roll down for whatever pet they want, they'll be able to trade their extras around to others who want them for what will likely be either items or in-game currency. So if you're really desperate for a specific companion, just wait for the trading system to be implemented.

[strictlySpeaking]

Originally posted by #83:

In practice, unless you're missing one of the lower-tier ones, trading isn't likely to be much help. Absolutely nobody is going to be trading a spare Doot for anything lesser, so he's going to remain effectively paywalled for most players. Trading isn't going to benefit players so much as it's going to benefit Lava by encouraging whales that already have their Doot to keep gambling for spares to trade for future super-powerful options (which may or may not come, since Lava has not specified whether or not all pets will rotate out because leaving it ambiguous helps to manipulate FOMO).

You keep using the word "FOMO," and I'm not sure you understand what that actually means.

By putting in a trading system, it means that if the companions ever do rotate out (which they have not thus far, as most mechanics normally would on-update) you can always trade for those pets from another player. That all but eradicates the "Fear of Missing Out," when there will always be those pets in circulation, and available for trade.

While the pets that can be traded will have been purchased for this new paid currency, someone who has already rolled all the way down for a Doot is likely to have already gotten every pet in the chart. There is little reason to trade pets exclusively for other pets, and it's far more likely they'll be traded for a specified amount of blue gems. That would make everyone happy.

[DrakjägarKonny]

Originally posted by strictlySpeaking:

Originally posted by #83:

In practice, unless you're missing one of the lower-tier ones, trading isn't likely to be much help. Absolutely nobody is going to be trading a spare Doot for anything lesser, so he's going to remain effectively paywalled for most players. Trading isn't going to benefit players so much as it's going to benefit Lava by encouraging whales that already have their Doot to keep gambling for spares to trade for future super-powerful options (which may or may not come, since Lava has not specified whether or not all pets will rotate out because leaving it ambiguous helps to manipulate FOMO).

You keep using the word "FOMO," and I'm not sure you understand what that actually means.

By putting in a trading system, it means that if the companions ever do rotate out (which they have not thus far, as most mechanics normally would on-update) you can always trade for those pets from another player. That all but eradicates the "Fear of Missing Out," when there will always be those pets in circulation, and available for trade.

While the pets that can be traded will have been purchased for this new paid currency, someone who has already rolled all the way down for a Doot is likely to have already gotten every pet in the chart. There is little reason to trade pets exclusively for other pets, and it's far more likely they'll be traded for a specified amount of blue gems. That would make everyone happy.

You can buy my doot for only $199.99. What are you waiting for? Get your cheap doot today!

[strictlySpeaking]

Originally posted by DrakjägarKonny:

Originally posted by strictlySpeaking:

You keep using the word "FOMO," and I'm not sure you understand what that actually means.

By putting in a trading system, it means that if the companions ever do rotate out (which they have not thus far, as most mechanics normally would on-update) you can always trade for those pets from another player. That all but eradicates the "Fear of Missing Out," when there will always be those pets in circulation, and available for trade.

While the pets that can be traded will have been purchased for this new paid currency, someone who has already rolled all the way down for a Doot is likely to have already gotten every pet in the chart. There is little reason to trade pets exclusively for other pets, and it's far more likely they'll be traded for a specified amount of blue gems. That would make everyone happy.

You can buy my doot for only $199.99. What are you waiting for? Get your cheap doot today!

But see, that's the only complaint people have. If you can trade using blue gems, you can stockpile for whatever pet you want while remaining completely F2P. And if two people are trading Doots, and they can set their own prices...you might be trading yours for 100,000. If someone else is trading theirs for 50,000...all of the sudden, someone offers theirs for 25,000 or 20,000. That's where a proper player-driven economy shines. (Obviously, I'd be hoping to sink less of my hard-earned gems into it, but I'm using big numbers because I have no idea what to expect.)

[chichun2002]

I believe your profile picture speaks for itself move along

[AllYourToothbrushAreBelongToUs]

Originally posted by Lavi:

Originally posted by AllYourToothbrushAreBelongToUs:

If the game was worth $5 then put that price on the game and stop with these cancer microtransactions. But there is always gonna be an army of addicted people defending these trash mechanics.

Dev could put left mouse clicking behind a paywall and there would still be people defending it.

I played for over a year before auto loot was even added to the game, you can handle holding your mouse down & scrolling over the loot, it's not difficult. The very fact you're crying about a small $5 fee for a convenience feature, makes you sound like a kid. The game is worth more than $5, but auto loot isn't necessary & neither are any of the convenience features that cost money.

Sure, I am a kid. Enjoy paying hundreds of dollars on small convenience features.
Also called just ´features´, that should be in a game. No horse armor for me, thanks.