Do not buy Trading Education

[Apetit]

it doesnt worth it, why,since most of players are fp2 or dont have all gem upgrades bought it will raise the cost for get 1 gem at lvl 2 by alot!!
from e3 to e16 and still is just 1 gem thefore this upgrade is for when you dont do fast BLC runs (im 500b total and i'd say until i get artifacts or more = 2t+ total can be seen decent)
I wish i could remove this upgrade bc its the worse inside BLC store & might inside the game, its the most end game thing that ruins your game otherwise

And in general trades so far are so bad if wasnt bc you can get next leaves without having thoses zones unlocked + permanent ink
might be different since e16 of something you have alot to mystical e13 or e16 then its good
but most trades are for leaves you have too many and even its reduced since they are next tier but below exotic leaves its waste trade (6leaves+7flasks)too many combos that dont give enough for 1h time

Conclusion lv2 and higher lvls if they dont give more gems per trade isnt worth upgrade until you are done with gem shop & below few T BLC total

[Daunmi]

BUY THE TRADING EDUCATION UPGRADES.

Firstly, if you're at 500b BLC, stop crunching and start idling in the volcano for Orbs. Focus on getting more fruit spawns to make them spawn faster.

Secondly, yes trades are random. They take time to pay off. And they're the only easy way to get Obsidian and Benitoite leaves in any significant quantity so their seeds are actually worth a damn. They're also the only way to get huge amounts of flasks but that's not really helpful anyway other than to trade those flasks for something useful.

Thirdly, once you get to level 10 trades, you get two gems for a gem delivery. So, yes they do go up. Once you get all the in game achievement rewards you're stuck with just the small free gem/s you get each day, so trading is the only way to make that faster.

Fourthly, just getting Trading Education DOESN'T make it more expensive to get 1 gem. Trading levels are random, so you're still able to get level 1 gem trades. Even at level 10 Trading Education you still get level 1 trades sometimes.

Fifthly, trading is the only way to get cheese which you need to use the slot machine for the artifact (because 2 pets is awesome) and cursed cheese (because extra damage in the tower is awesome, even if it's not huge).

So literally everything in your post is wrong.

Trading isn't as 'broken' as some people say, because it's almost completely random and takes a lot of time. But you should start doing it as soon as realistically possible.

[icons92]

Originally posted by Daunmi:

BUY THE TRADING EDUCATION UPGRADES.

Firstly, if you're at 500b BLC, stop crunching and start idling in the volcano for Orbs. Focus on getting more fruit spawns to make them spawn faster.

Secondly, yes trades are random. They take time to pay off. And they're the only easy way to get Obsidian and Benitoite leaves in any significant quantity so their seeds are actually worth a damn. They're also the only way to get huge amounts of flasks but that's not really helpful anyway other than to trade those flasks for something useful.

Thirdly, once you get to level 10 trades, you get two gems for a gem delivery. So, yes they do go up. Once you get all the in game achievement rewards you're stuck with just the small free gem/s you get each day, so trading is the only way to make that faster.

Fourthly, just getting Trading Education DOESN'T make it more expensive to get 1 gem. Trading levels are random, so you're still able to get level 1 gem trades. Even at level 10 Trading Education you still get level 1 trades sometimes.

Fifthly, trading is the only way to get cheese which you need to use the slot machine for the artifact (because 2 pets is awesome) and cursed cheese (because extra damage in the tower is awesome, even if it's not huge).

So literally everything in your post is wrong.

Trading isn't as 'broken' as some people say, because it's almost completely random and takes a lot of time. But you should start doing it as soon as realistically possible.

THIS^^^
Only thing original post has correct is make sure you purchase GEM (not BLC) upgrades in a meaningful order if you are F2P.
Trading allowed me to get Obsidian and Bentonite seeds maxed, and also allows for some extra gems.

[Daunmi]

Originally posted by icons92:

Only thing original post has correct is make sure you purchase GEM (not BLC) upgrades in a meaningful order if you are F2P.

To be fair, there ARE a lot of bad choices for Gems. The a lot of purchase options don't actually help in a meaningful way, and MOST gem upgrades become useless late game, which is about when you start trading.

[Daunmi]

Though in addition to all the points I made, when you're at the point you're doing trading you REALLY shouldn't be caring about level 1 trade vs level 4-5 trade costs when trading standard leaves for a single gem.

Yeah it's more expensive, but you're not using those leaves anyway and a single seed probably pays for it all as well.

[Mr. Self Destruct]

I second the motion with buying the Trading Education upgrades.

500b BLC is definitely a lot to achieve to start with, but once you get there farm Orbs like Daunmi said and you'll be amazed how much BLC you can get. 500b seems like an 'easy' amount of BLC to get to. I'm at 1.61 e52 BLC (16.05 h BLC) and get a good 100BLC Orbs a day (500b is 5.00 e11 if I am not mistaken) . Just make sure you use Flocko, and level up your Fruit Trees as much you can. My fruit trees is at 639 and its stunning how quick the Orb of BLC timer goes down with this many fruit spawning. I've never timed it nor taken detailed notes, but by the time I go to sleep vs when I wake up, I have like 40+ BLC orbs. (I've literally gained 3 orbs just typing up this reply.) ???What the point of this paragraph??? Farm BLC Orbs like Daumni says. Its worth it - you didn't waste your time, you just may not be able to take advantage of your upgrades so far. 500b BLC will soon seem like a drop in the bucket and soon be wanting to spend more upgrades in Trading Education.

Also, Trading is the only viable way to max out Obsidian and Benitoite leaves. I used Trading to get up to e275 Obsidian and e274 Benitoite leaves, and I'm AFK'ing the rest of the way to get them up to the max e290 leaves in the Volcano (which in turn gives me tons of BLC orbs). Without Trading its just not feasible to max out those 2 leaves.

As a side bonus, leveling up the flasks with Trading will give you extra health which can help absorb some of the damage you take when one can't destroy all the enemies in whatever level of tower one is in. My low flask is e234 and my high flask is e260. Its a great way to focus your silver and gold tokens on damage while still being able to survive longer in the tower to rack up more tokens.

Another random thought in regards to Trading - acquiring borbs. In the future, I'm thinking the borbs are going to mean something more than just converting to cheese. The Cheese Pub area has a claw-machine like arcade game on the left side, but it always says "Currently out of Borbs." So I'm guessing its going to be meaningful in the future. Which means Trading is a great way to stockpile borbs for whenever this mechanic is released.

[frerouche]

Trading only become somewhat problematic starting at 33 where you get e290 for trades which leaves you with 0 of it.
Meaning it renders any new trades with that leaf untradeable and stays at 0 if you are currently grinding the tower and you would need to stop the tower in order to get it back up.
Otherwise, if you are grinding more orbs, it only becomes a hassle of waiting for it to go back up to e290.

[Apetit]

My intention wasnt saying its always bad
Its bad early on(until obsidian mid) to upgrade it ,since you want BLC as much as possible fast,and in some runs farm seeds to max out seeds.
500b it gives; artifacts or the area not both,thefore you cant farm orbs
You guys are saying.I SHOULD HAVE BOTH at 500b BLC
you need at least 1t to do that .THEN orbs give you some % of your current BLC (not total)

So you still need to farm more BLC to have orb working or upgrade trades
i'd say its better go for trades than orb working since obsidian is mainly by trades(no print possible)so thats another +1t ,total of 3-4t spent.

Why bc obsidian has time reduction artifact spawn then farming orb BLC is decent not hours then you still want have 100m or 1b to get 1m or 10m from each orb


Resuming; after having both artifacts and volcano 1t-2t TOTAL BLC(NOT 500B)
wait hours in order to get 1 orb to get close nothing since you guys saying shouldnt make more BLC crunchs
dont have obsidian time reduction since need higher lv TRADING EDUCATION to get decent amounts of obsidian(& blc unused)
However at that point you can make+1e8 with the newest bot(maxing mythical-lava-ice seeds = BLC upgrades) IN 5MINS. when having e9/1T gives e7/10m per orb that takes HOURS to get

There's more ,STILL you wont have more than lvl 3 Trading educations since it cost e10/10t since you need like e16 obsidian for maxing artifact time reduction


and trading is broken before getting the area you can max almost everything from with print then seeds
if we could do faster trades it would be the good/decent early on apart for unlocking
its super unbalanced one part helps you so much and the other is so bad
And shouldnt take 2h for everytrade its terrible
less time for some and more for others plus existing more reduction time delivery ,trade refresh time reduction is trash from 5mins to less that ends on NRG and how much you stare at the screen waiting
A min trade lvl would be good too

[ST25]

Honestly, trade education is a GOATED upgrade and I HIGHLY recommend buying it. If you're at 500 b, I recommend you focus on getting orbs to up your BLC count. I've gotten around 356 (which seems like a lot, but with the right upgrades you could get over 100 a week easy), and I'm at around 450 a. Within the next ~15 I SHOULD be around 1 A and tbh, if I left the game on for a day, I could easily make around 13-15.

[Tenzek]

Farm BLC orbs for a few days until the costs are insignificant, and buy upgrades up until the edge of where the costs start to feel significant. Then you can repeat the process. Never spend more than you're going to get from the next orb, and you'll be able to maintain your BLC total while continuing to upgrade everything.

Get Fruitifacts to 10/10 and Fruit Trees as high as possible, then use Flocko and save up gems for the duration upgrade. All of that together should let you get nearly 1 orb per hour once you max out your prestige for a run. That's assuming you've expanded your bags to a reasonable level for the total BLC you should start this process with.

Don't forget to max out artifact duration, because if you leave the others spawned, all of the fruitifact bonuses will go toward Orbs of BLC. With that, I was getting 2 orbs per hour over the course of a day by the time I had enough to unlock the tower.

[Bashie]

Could I request the addition of an upgrade that allows you to control your trading level?

I also bought Trading Education too early and am locked out of a lot of trades.

[Daunmi]

Control over the max level of trades you get would be nice.

But you're NOT LOCKED OUT of a lot of trades. Just wait for more appropriate levelled ones. It's something that happens every single time you prestige or crunch anyway.

[KamikaziFly]

I would suggest that if your BLC is under e8 to not purchase upgrades in Trade Education. Get those cheap gems. Then when you are able to earn Obsidian leaves to trade for a e6 more Obsidian leaves, then to upgrade Trade Education to level 1. Now trade for a higher amount of Obsidian leaves of around e12, to unlock an Obsidian seed (*e12) and Silicon leaves (*e9). And now get your Silicon leaves unlocked and farm them to unlock Benitoite leaves (*e9), then trade for 2e12 to purchase a Benitoite seed.

Now you won't need nor want to upgrade Trade Education until way after you have e11 BLC, more likely around e19+ BLC. If you do then you 'will' actually lock yourself out of trades due to the trades costing too many flasks (e34). The problem here is that you really still do not have nearly enough BLC to make trades worth 2 gems yet! lulz...

With 4e17 BLC I can still not purchase 10 levels of Trade Education to gain that sweet +2 gems trade deals, but I have maxed all my leaves count to e116 a few minutes after purchasing a few levels in deeper bags, from e105. (Obsidian and Benitoite leaves seem to collect faster in offline, something I do while in the new 'Seasons'.) Seeds nullify the need for higher level trades. My Trade Education is level 5/50, the next level is 1e14, and purchasing 10 more levels would cost 4e26, of which I only need 5, which seems to be about e19 +/-.

Granted its been 3 months since this thread started, the Trades have become more advanced now. The devs have changed trades so that now you can not trade for more leaves than you had collected total. But this week we also gained the Cheese pet, which I spend that cheese to refresh my Trades to find gems.