AVX

[CockAndBallTorture]

I've a low end computer, (an Intel g4560, and a rx580)
Even though I can play big games like Doom Eternal or Battlefield V pretty smoothly, I can't play AOE 4 because my CPU lacks the capability of running AVX instructions, I won't upgrade my computer for a single game.
Way to go with this game Microsoft, segregating the community of the game just because of a Hardware requirement. Imma stick to AEO 2 for a while more then.

[CockAndBallTorture]

Originalmente postado por NoOtherDestiny:

I find it funny. You expect your ancient hardware to work in every game into the future forever? 5 year old subpar hardware will always struggle or fail in new titles.

Thing is, this is a low scale rts, not a bombastic fps or a massive battles kind of rts

[Gog]

They will probably patch the game for non-AVX support eventually.

There are a lot of CPU's that are plenty fast for AOE4 that don't support AVX.

[Handy]

You are playing on a computer I basically threw in the trash 6 months ago. Get a job.

[peremptor]

Originalmente postado por Handy:

You are playing on a computer I basically threw in the trash 6 months ago. Get a job.

Though that might actually be the case in this instance for the OP a lot of people in the world live in places where they are barely making end meet with their current job so they got to make do with what for others is trash.

[Smaxx]

Something you shouldn't forget: Over the last 5-10 years growth in CPU performance happened mostly with a few new instructions/optimization (like AVX/AVX2) and parallelism. So still running an older CPU is in many cases still totally valid and you'll indeed see little to no gain, unless games are optimized to specifically take advantage of this.

However, I can also totally see Microsoft wanting to stick with AVX, since the differences can be rather massive (cutting down on like 2/3rd of the number of operations to be performed in some cases). It just would have been better to make that optimization optional to make the game more accessible, too.

[PurSpyk!!]

Damn pre ordered and my I7 990x does not support this, Cancelling. Irritated.

[Smaxx]

I'd just wait. Diablo 2 Resurrected had the same "Problem" at launch, but they patched it (or plan to patch it next Update; read about it, but I'm not affected, so can't test).

[askasys]

The Pentium G4560 is not a CPU for gaming purpose, it's for Office and internet browsing.
I suggest you to buy a second hand i5-7400.
In general, don't buy a Pentium or Celeron CPUs if you are planning to install videogames.

i5-750, i7-990x, etc... are all very old CPUs.
A CPU shoud be changed at least every 10-12 years.

I will not buy this game because of tons of reasons, but don't blame the developers for the AVX thing.

Have a nice days guys :)

[coth]

Originalmente postado por Crafty:

They will probably patch the game for non-AVX support eventually.

There are a lot of CPU's that are plenty fast for AOE4 that don't support AVX.

95% of Steam users have AVX1 at least. Eventually most of them will upgrade.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

As of mac, well it is only fast in specific synthetic tests. But it's running on slow ultra low power mobile CPU. That's up to Apple to deal with that and design desktop class CPU with powerful computing instructions. But who plays on mac anyway?

[CockAndBallTorture]

Originalmente postado por askasys:

The Pentium G4560 is not a CPU for gaming purpose, it's for Office and internet browsing.
I suggest you to buy a second hand i5-7400.
In general, don't buy a Pentium or Celeron CPUs if you are planning to install videogames.

i5-750, i7-990x, etc... are all very old CPUs.
A CPU shoud be changed at least every 10-12 years.

I will not buy this game because of tons of reasons, but don't blame the developers for the AVX thing.

Have a nice days guys :)

Well, I bought this cpu for 70 bucks almost 5 years ago, and I can play everything until 2020. So I'd say this cpu gave me a big bang for it's bucks

[PurSpyk!!]

There is still no reason why this game would need avx, even the latest far more demanding games do not require this CPU feature.

[Pengbumstot]

Originalmente postado por NoOtherDestiny:

I find it funny. You expect your ancient hardware to work in every game into the future forever? 5 year old subpar hardware will always struggle or fail in new titles.

His hardware could easily run that game. It's quite an artificial limitation. Same with making Win10 mandatory.

[vytah]

Originalmente postado por coth:

Originalmente postado por Crafty:

As of mac, well it is only fast in specific synthetic tests. But it's running on slow ultra low power mobile CPU. That's up to Apple to deal with that and design desktop class CPU with powerful computing instructions.

AoE4 runs on ARM macs via emulation, so Apple only has to update their emulators to support AVX. NEON has 32 128-bit SIMD registers, AVX has 16 256-bit SIMD registers, so they're comparable in their capabilities. However, there are some issues with patents on AVX, so I wouldn't expect emulation any time soon.

[Super Bambaspis]

Originalmente postado por NZXile:

Only specific family's of even i7's will run this, I'm well over minimum spec however my CPU is one of those Family's (Bllomfield) that won't run this game due to lack of AVX support.

Oh dear never mind..

Well yeah, CPU's that came out years before AVX wont support AVX ;)

[Smaxx]

Originalmente postado por vytah:

AoE4 runs on ARM macs via emulation, so Apple only has to update their emulators to support AVX. NEON has 32 128-bit SIMD registers, AVX has 16 256-bit SIMD registers, so they're comparable in their capabilities.

Uhm, no, that's not how CPUs work, unfortunately. Just because you've got a comparable amount of memory doesn't make stuff interchangeable.

Registers are *very* specific. Without going too much into details, certain operations can and will only access certain registers. And you can't magically connect two registers just to make up the longer registers of another system (in some cases you might be able to, but not in general). Of course Apple could add a compatibility layer for this, but the resulting code would be significantly slower.