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Demigod Chewtoy May 23 @ 11:49am
This looks interesting, but it seems like I should wait for some patches
From the multiple sources I have gathered, these seem like major issues:

* Parrying doesn't work as of v1.0
* Combat is easily exploitable and immersion breaking
* Gear is unbalanced

These are deal-breakers for me, but I would love to know if/when the devs intend to fix this. Further, I would love to know YOUR opinion on how these things affect the game. I want to play on default/hard difficulty and have a tough but fair (and fun) time. I don't want to be able to cheese my way through things, nor do I want to be an overpowered button masher.
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Mad Engineer Kikoumaru May 23 @ 12:34pm 
I don't know where you got that parrying doesn't work since I'm playing a build that focuses a lot on parrying and had zero problems with it.
Gear is not really "unbalanced". You can become overpowered if you minmax, but that's something that happens in pretty much every game with this much build freedom.
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Demigod Chewtoy May 23 @ 12:41pm 
Originally posted by Mad Engineer Kikoumaru:
I don't know where you got that parrying doesn't work since I'm playing a build that focuses a lot on parrying and had zero problems with it.
Gear is not really "unbalanced". You can become overpowered if you minmax, but that's something that happens in pretty much every game with this much build freedom.
* Every major review outlet I sampled in the last 24 hours said they couldn't parry and gave up on it. It sounds like parrying windows may be gear or stat based -- Awesome if true....
* Min/maxing is fine. I just put on "what I think is the best" and move on. I don't play the meta. Alright, seems balanced then?
* My final concern then.... Exploitable combat: How bad is it? If I run from a foe and realize it stoped chasing me, how easily can I rain death upon it?
Last edited by Demigod Chewtoy; May 23 @ 12:46pm
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Rheetro May 23 @ 12:50pm 
Just so you know - there is a whole skill-tree solely for parry, where you have lots of options to improve parry ex. the parry window. People that complain about parry haven't learnt- or played long enough to open up for "true" parry and put points into it. Also - I've seen people HOLDING the button when they try to parry, you just need to click ONCE when you want to parry - it's night and day. And again - take use of the parry skill-tree, parry is not an issue IMO

Exploitable combat: yes it's true, you can just get to higher ground ex. on a rock and the enemy will just stand there trying to hit you, and then you can just fire away your magic/bow whatever until he's dead - but it's a choice, don't like it, don't take advantage of it but I know what you mean. Other than that, I'm absolutely loving this game
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[HBM] Cryxalis May 23 @ 12:54pm 
Parrying works, confirmed.

Gear? Wait until you randomly stumble upon your first "FULL SET" in a random box.. not going to say where.. but basically increases your mana regen by 500% lol!
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Demigod Chewtoy May 23 @ 1:29pm 
Originally posted by HBM Cryxalis:
Gear? Wait until you randomly stumble upon your first "FULL SET" in a random box.. not going to say where.. but basically increases your mana regen by 500% lol!
Oh man, lol. You know, items like this need context. If the player finds the set after a desperate adventure through a Wizard's lair, or by deciphering quest clues, that's amazing! On the other hand, if it's just randomly out there next to a bag of apples and a patch of grass, that.... that sucks.

I'll have to give this some thought. Thanks for the responses.
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Mad Engineer Kikoumaru May 23 @ 1:32pm 
Originally posted by Demigod Chewtoy:
Oh man, lol. You know, items like this need context. If the player finds the set after a desperate adventure through a Wizard's lair, or by deciphering quest clues, that's amazing! On the other hand, if it's just randomly out there next to a bag of apples and a patch of grass, that.... that sucks.

I'll have to give this some thought. Thanks for the responses.

For now most sets I found were:
- Crafted by you
- Found at the end of a hard dungeon/quest
- Found randomly out there, but only one piece at a time scattered around the map (an early archery set is like that, mostly found in high places)
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Umbral Knight May 23 @ 1:36pm 
I can confirm parrying does work.
Combat is easily exploitable however. Enemies for example aren't capable of opening doors.
Not far along enough to know how unbalanced gear is but it would not surprise me and I tend to enjoy that.
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Sauriel May 23 @ 1:41pm 
Originally posted by Rheetro:
Just so you know - there is a whole skill-tree solely for parry, where you have lots of options to improve parry ex. the parry window. People that complain about parry haven't learnt- or played long enough to open up for "true" parry and put points into it. Also - I've seen people HOLDING the button when they try to parry, you just need to click ONCE when you want to parry - it's night and day. And again - take use of the parry skill-tree, parry is not an issue IMO

Exploitable combat: yes it's true, you can just get to higher ground ex. on a rock and the enemy will just stand there trying to hit you, and then you can just fire away your magic/bow whatever until he's dead - but it's a choice, don't like it, don't take advantage of it but I know what you mean. Other than that, I'm absolutely loving this game
It wont fly for melee characters at least, since you need to block or get hit (with weak enough to handle mobs) to level armor and shield skill for proper building, otherwise they may not survive blocking bossfights in round arenas with no cheese..although it might be a bit different than oblivion
Last edited by Sauriel; May 23 @ 1:46pm
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chollman82 (Banned) May 23 @ 1:46pm 
Parrying works fine, reviewers are pedestrian idiots lol
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Blackdragon May 23 @ 1:49pm 
Trusting game journalists in this day and age? Pathetic.
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Demigod Chewtoy May 23 @ 1:52pm 
Originally posted by Blackdragon:
Trusting game journalists in this day and age? Pathetic.
Says the guy offering an opinion no one asked for on Steam forums. LOL. Pretty sure you're projecting.
Last edited by Demigod Chewtoy; May 23 @ 1:53pm
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Blackdragon May 23 @ 1:56pm 
Originally posted by Demigod Chewtoy:
Originally posted by Blackdragon:
Trusting game journalists in this day and age? Pathetic.
Says the guy offering an opinion no one asked for on Steam forums. LOL. Pretty sure you're projecting.

Can you even read? Like, literally?

Originally posted by Demigod Chewtoy:
Further, I would love to know YOUR opinion on how these things affect the game

And defending game journos is even more pathetic than trusting them. What a disgrace.
Last edited by Blackdragon; May 23 @ 1:56pm
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Chaosolous May 23 @ 1:59pm 
Parrying works, you're probably just really bad at it.
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Demigod Chewtoy May 23 @ 2:00pm 
Originally posted by Blackdragon:
Originally posted by Demigod Chewtoy:
Says the guy offering an opinion no one asked for on Steam forums. LOL. Pretty sure you're projecting.

Can you even read? Like, literally?

Originally posted by Demigod Chewtoy:
Further, I would love to know YOUR opinion on how these things affect the game
Pure, unadulterated, projection.

I didn't ask you to critique my research quality, did I? I asked you to talk about the game. Now go back into your cespool. You contribute nothing. Adults are talking.
Last edited by Demigod Chewtoy; May 23 @ 2:18pm
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Nikanuur May 23 @ 2:05pm 
Just moments ago, I staggered the first guard I came upon with a timed parry, and whacked him dead with two good blows to the head afterwards.
After that, still in the dungeon, I've discovered ... ... ... to my amazement it lead to ... ... ... ... and I only wonder what it will do when I ... ... ...

But I didn't expect anything less from a game that has music set to 70% by default, and an outright Hulduljod as the main theme.

10/10 I know I won't refund this absolutely no-nonsense, gritty, grim-dark, adventurous RPG.

Anything else?
Last edited by Nikanuur; May 23 @ 2:06pm
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