Day 42 overwhelmed

[a random potato]

Sooo about day 42 of my play through I got hit by a swarm that overwhelmed me. I got the first wave but two more massive waves with hundreds of infected breached my defenses and destroyed my HQ, so that ended my play through. If I had wanted to play They Are Billions, I would play that game. That was some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and if it is a regular feature of this game, I will not be playing this game anymore.

[Arandur87]

They did something with the last patch. 3 or 4 days ago, I build a base with 400 people on day ~120 or so, was a breeze. Today, I got swarmed but 400+ Infected+Alphas every 2 nights. This one killed me, after I successfully defended against 4 other swarms:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2501262002285995195/BD2758E2096C94716A410A5DD6FBBB39E1AFB0B5/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[Slick]

Yeah, it's some serious BS.

Originally posted by Arandur87:

They did something with the last patch. 3 or 4 days ago, I build a base with 400 people on day ~120 or so, was a breeze. Today, I got swarmed but 400+ Infected+Alphas every 2 nights. This one killed me, after I successfully defended against 4 other swarms:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2501262002285995195/BD2758E2096C94716A410A5DD6FBBB39E1AFB0B5/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[Danger Girl Forever]

I cant tell if this is intended because if you think about it, it makes sense that youre in a city and the inhabitants of the city are a bit overwhelming especially when youre just starting out. The overwhelming hordes do kinda make sense but still if Im not playing on very hard etc it becomes rage quitty real fast.

I took out all of that frustration by using the cheats and giving myself assault rifles. Thats it nothing else not even bullets because pistols will not cut it. Just use the tilde key above the tab button then click the ? mark until they fix the overwhelming hordes then you'll be able to play and have fun.

[Kaneda_88]

It's an early access game that's been out a week, they just tweaked how swarms work, maybe it did something maybe it didn't.

I'm into day 60 with wooden walls, and metal walls on the interior, most swarms hit places in my walls covered by two towers, plus usually a squad in a building and only the wood has been breached a couple of times, the metal is untouched currently. I attribute that mainly to my mobile defense force of squads in cars.

They bring however many squads you have cars for anywhere in your base in seconds, be careful but they run over infected (this damages the vehicles) and best of all they draw attention, I kite probably 90% of the infected away from the walls and into crossfires between towers and vehicles, and I run over probably 20%-40% of the infected depending on group sizes.

Just like in real life when faced by a superior force to stand and fight is almost always a death sentence, while mobility and guerrilla tactics will win you the day. Or at least get you to sunup barring any storms.

[Danger Girl Forever]

Originally posted by Arandur87:

They did something with the last patch. 3 or 4 days ago, I build a base with 400 people on day ~120 or so, was a breeze. Today, I got swarmed but 400+ Infected+Alphas every 2 nights. This one killed me, after I successfully defended against 4 other swarms:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2501262002285995195/BD2758E2096C94716A410A5DD6FBBB39E1AFB0B5/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Damn :(

[Gizmodio]

Turn the horde difficullty down then?

[Slick]

Originally posted by Danger Girl Forever:

I cant tell if this is intended because if you think about it, it makes sense that youre in a city and the inhabitants of the city are a bit overwhelming especially when youre just starting out. The overwhelming hordes do kinda make sense but still if Im not playing on very hard etc it becomes rage quitty real fast.

I took out all of that frustration by using the cheats and giving myself assault rifles. Thats it nothing else not even bullets because pistols will not cut it. Just use the tilde key above the tab button then click the ? mark until they fix the overwhelming hordes then you'll be able to play and have fun.

I THINK it's a bug because it's such a huge jump in swarm numbers overnight. They adjusted the swarm difficulty in the last patch and this seems like a bug from that.

[leftbehind]

There's an issue that if a swarm happens just before sunrise, they will hide in abandoned buildings until the next night, and then you might get an additional swarm that night too - so now you have massive double swarm.

One workaround could be that whenever player loses X buildings, increase the swarm cooldown by Y nights. Maybe even decrease the swarm size too? That would give player chance to repair/rebuild/adapt, which in itself can be very challenging depending on resource situation.

[Kapitänleutnant Kerensky]

I try to ensure if we have swarms that hide...we go and kill them quickly - cannot allow zeds to bunker......especially if they are anywhere close to your defense lines

[Kapitänleutnant Kerensky]

Get your arms factory working quickly and get your supplies of M14 and M16 going quickly and then avoid using pew pew pistols in favor of the better long arms.....make sure you are manufacturing the ammo as well......for me the bigger issues always is the location....have to find the right sort of buildings or groupings that will allow you to maximize your early days with troops so they can stand in a building and wreck the zeds and if needed take the bait squads out and use them to lure them into fire zones.

[Michelangelo]

Its a tower defence game. Build more towers. with 400+ people you should have tuns of towers. Also design kill boxes. they wont go through a wall if you have an opening some place, they will go for that opening. You can funnel them down a trial of towers. I have like 20 towers just t my kill box. My problem is keeping wood in stalk my kitchens use it up fast.

[ambi]

Originally posted by Michelangelo:

Its a tower defence game. Build more towers. with 400+ people you should have tuns of towers. Also design kill boxes. they wont go through a wall if you have an opening some place, they will go for that opening. You can funnel them down a trial of towers. I have like 20 towers just t my kill box. My problem is keeping wood in stalk my kitchens use it up fast.

this man rimworlds

+1

[Arandur87]

Originally posted by Michelangelo:

Its a tower defence game. Build more towers. with 400+ people you should have tuns of towers. Also design kill boxes. they wont go through a wall if you have an opening some place, they will go for that opening. You can funnel them down a trial of towers. I have like 20 towers just t my kill box. My problem is keeping wood in stalk my kitchens use it up fast.

You do realize, a squad with 4 aussault rifles is more efficient, than a tower, right? People level up, towers don't.
The screenshot I posted above was after I defended against 3 swarms of ~400 infected with a pop of ~140. The 4th swarm killed me, because I could not repair all the buildings in a day before the 4th swarm came in.
I had 11 squads with Aussault Rifles and all the people were rank 2 or 3. Still, 2 Alphas leading in 400 Infected results in a 4k HP building beeing instantly deletet.

Killboxes don't work either, because often times, Infected just swarm at the nearest location and don't use a "open way in".
I tried leaving a spot open in the wall and the Infected didn't care, they just ran into a cornerbuilding and tried to swarm it.
Micromanaging a couple of groups around is totally fine and you can bait some Infected with a squad, but with 400 alphabuffed Infected 4 nights in a row, you just can't manage it at day 50. And I did no crank up the horde size to max.

As I said: before the patch, I reached day 120 on very hard and it was a breeze. ~80-100 Infected at once was like max swarm size every week or so. Totally doable.
Now: It's way over the top^^

[OKOK]

Originally posted by Arandur87:

They did something with the last patch. 3 or 4 days ago, I build a base with 400 people on day ~120 or so, was a breeze. Today, I got swarmed but 400+ Infected+Alphas every 2 nights. This one killed me, after I successfully defended against 4 other swarms:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2501262002285995195/BD2758E2096C94716A410A5DD6FBBB39E1AFB0B5/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Seriously your defend is very weak. Your picture show only 1 swarm which is easy to deal with if u have concentrated defend. u can stack 6 squads together.

I encountered 4 times that amount (100 hordes and 4 alphas) and survived.

[Arandur87]

Originally posted by OKOK:

Seriously your defend is very weak. Your picture show only 1 swarm which is easy to deal with if u have concentrated defend. u can stack 6 squads together.

I encountered 4 times that amount (100 hordes and 4 alphas) and survived.

Read all my posts and understand the situation. I know how to play the game. I even did the "survive on very hard" archievement and I have multiple savegames with over 100 days and unbeatable bases pre-patch. They changed something and those hordes were 20 infected per icon. Thats more than 400 Infected. Not 100. 100 is not a big deal. Over 400 with 1-2 Alphas EVERY NIGHT for 4 NIGHTS IN A ROW is a porblem.