why is this game dropping frames on a 4600$ computer?

[neotux]

is this game not optimized

[elevenfourteen]

The main issue is the stuttering that is created because of autosaving in this title. Snowrunner autosaves quite frequently, sometimes twice within a minute for a few seconds every time. Can get quite annoying and has nothing to do with a proper gameplay experience.

[AlphaNilla]

Originally posted by elevenfourteen:

The main issue is the stuttering that is created because of autosaving in this title. Snowrunner autosaves quite frequently, sometimes twice within a minute for a few seconds every time. Can get quite annoying and has nothing to do with a proper gameplay experience.

It used to only autosave right before and after challenging or technical parts of the map or missions. Maybe that has changed, but I'm not sure...

[pizza7]

Originally posted by neonanotux:

okay so the frame drop is only in certain maps, very laggy. I was able to fix the game never starting by installing directx or net framework dont remember what but it fixed it. its a very nice game when it is working, also it is a shame i can only play with mouse and keyboard and not my 900$ custom wheel pedal shifter handbrake and switch panel as its only singple input support.

typical a spoilt rich kid problem, bragging about his expensive gear. jeees .

[|Pipe Dreams]

Originally posted by pizza7:

Originally posted by neonanotux:

okay so the frame drop is only in certain maps, very laggy. I was able to fix the game never starting by installing directx or net framework dont remember what but it fixed it. its a very nice game when it is working, also it is a shame i can only play with mouse and keyboard and not my 900$ custom wheel pedal shifter handbrake and switch panel as its only singple input support.

typical a spoilt rich kid problem, bragging about his expensive gear. jeees .

where is he bragging?

stop projecting

[HeviSevi]

Originally posted by elevenfourteen:

When a Steam user has this issue, it is mainly because his Steam client is noch installed to an SSD. You can install SnowRunner and even Windows to an SSD all you want - if you end up installing Steam to an HDD, because one thought it would not really be useful to have Steam on an SSD... Well, then we have 75% of users with laggy behavior during saving. Steam saves the game differently to Epic. It does not end up in the Documents folder, but somewhere in the Steam folder. So if Steam is on an HDD, the chance is big, stuttering is because of that.

Yes, there were topics in here where players had everything on SSDs or even nvmes. However, everbody always failed to give proper system specs and proper description about their issue. It's possible some players experience stuttering even with their game installed to fast storages. But it's not the norm and within the Steam forum I could never find out, if players 'made something wrong' somewhere else on their PC.

Tldr... If this is about stuttering while autosaving - which was not confirmed by OP, yet - install Steam to an SSD. It'll help.

Had no stuttering at all last year. I started playing again recently and the stutter is awful during an autosave. Wouldn't mind it that much, but it has caused me to crash into things and I've flipped my car over couple of times as well. I have the game installed on the same SSD that my Steam is installed on, yet the stutter still occurs.

[AlphaNilla]

Originally posted by |Pipe Dreams ☕ #BASED:

Originally posted by pizza7:

typical a spoilt rich kid problem, bragging about his expensive gear. jeees .

where is he bragging?

stop projecting

What's crazy is that he hasn't even told us what GPU he has. I betcha it ain't better than my NVIDIA RTX 3080Ti lmaoo.

[Dryspace]

Video games don't drop frames. Only movies drop frames.

I don't know who was the first person to misunderstand this, but someone, somewhere conflated the term "dropped frame" with "framerate drop" -- which are two different things -- and now many people are repeating it.

Movies start with all of the frames completed, ready to go. The job of the movie player is to deliver a precise number of those frames per second -- usually 24. If something goes wrong, some of those frames will be "dropped", which means that one or more of those frames that were supposed to be delivered weren't. If a movie is dropping frames, it means you're not getting all of the frames.

But games are the opposite: You don't start with a certain number of frames -- instead, the computer creates frames on the fly. If your framerate isn't as high as you would like, it's not because frames are being dropped -- it's because not enough frames are being created.

In short, we speak about games in terms of framerate (or sometimes frame time). The framerate is high/low. The framerate is dropping, the framerate is steady, etc.

P.S. A low framerate is not called "lag". A game with a low framerate is not "lagging". Lag is something entirely different (though it can be related).

[HeviSevi]

Alright, for whatever reason, symlinking my saves to another SSD than the game install location fixed the stutters for me.

[neotux]

oh everything is on m2 so write/read should not be an issue unless the game tries to save 400 terra of data at once within seconds. I am on a 250hz montior so I run all my games in atleast 250+ frames per second and if they demand more and is not a competative fps shooter then i can accept 144hz and frames around 150+ and if the games is not capable of running that I usually uninstall and hide it from steam lib. this game is abit floaty and it runs fine at first but it will suddently start being choppy whenever i move around with the external camera view making me dizzy because it lags. And if you go to the main menu and load in again the lag is gone so it kinda feels like its some sort of cache that is building up as you play but who knows. As for background, I clean operating systems for a living so I know every single task that should and shouldn't be running with windows alongside drivers and no, there is nothing there messing up my games. I do clean installs every 2 months so I have a track on everything that is on my computer going in and out the ethernet port aswell so yeap no bottlenecks here. Also I usually never play games alone and this is the same for this game, so me and my friend who I play this game with have a similar setup as me, and he is having the same issues as me and we both concluded with some bad optimizations/buildup in cache for the game. its a great game just wish i could run this better than running everything on low (yes we are all running this on low to preserve frames), and multi input would be nice so I could use other things than just keyboard and mouse. But hey, more updates are on the horizon, these guys are working hard. I wonder why the switch have the season 7 update but not us on pc? is the switch being prioritized?

[neotux]

Originally posted by HeviSevi:

Alright, for whatever reason, symlinking my saves to another SSD than the game install location fixed the stutters for me.

okay I havent heard of the term symlinking, and I am curious about how this worked for you. could you please explain? :)

[AlphaNilla]

Originally posted by neonanotux:

Originally posted by HeviSevi:

Alright, for whatever reason, symlinking my saves to another SSD than the game install location fixed the stutters for me.

okay I havent heard of the term symlinking, and I am curious about how this worked for you. could you please explain? :)

Google symbolic link Windows 10. It's similar to a shortcut but is quicker for your computer to process. What GPU did ya get in your too expensive PC??

[HeviSevi]

For some people, what worked was symlinking their save folder to the drive where the game was installed. Whatever the reason behind it, it works for me if I link the save on a drive other than where the game install is.

I used this guide for it. It is pretty bare bones, but works.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2491585471

[max954]

There are different dollars around the world: canadian, australian, taiwanese, newzealand, ecc

[AlphaNilla]

Originally posted by max954:

There are different dollars around the world: canadian, australian, taiwanese, newzealand, ecc

wtf???

[neotux]

okay thanks but I dont think the stuttering is when its saving, after a while of no issues there will be lags/stutterings appearing and it doesnt go away even after several hours. going back to main menu then loading in again fixes it. I think saving is fine. My gpu is a rtx 2060 super 8gb. If I would have waited for 2 months I could have gotten the 30series but I usually dont buy or play games that are demanding 30series cards because I dont support devs making games either not optimized or for only the richest people on earth. There are several good games that can do several hounder fps in a 20series like battlebit, apex legends, guildwars2 and so on. If someone makes a game that isnt able to run 250 or even 200fps on a 20series card I dont think its worth looking into or spend money on. When I eventually upgrade to a 30series card it is not to be able to play poorer optimized games but rather to have more fps on the games able to run on 20series and 10series cards. Also I got my build pretty cheap as to partnership, its a nice computer but more importantly the windows is clean 24/7 as of good maintanance from my side. But yeah its just one of the computers, I do have some workbenches, Pi's, Gates and subs also some walls running all up to date and doing well for now even for being years old.