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He got good "fight or flight" instinct, but our boys willpower isn't his forte, not before the end battle anyway.
Probably because becoming Soldier meant so much for him, that failing would make him worthless. Basically stress. Zack's dream of becoming a hero probably worked much better.
Got any examples of that? Especially the latter.
Mako poisoning does that. Even Sephiroth wasn't able to survive intact after falling into lifestream, and despite his own faculties being what they are, his personality isn't exactly a mess like Cloud's by the time he makes it to Midgar. Soldier examination has nothing to do with Cloud capabilities and vulnerabilities after surviving the countless physical and mental trials.
Let's do another recap.
- survives falling down a mountain
- withstands social abuse by hometown community
- enlists, continues service despite not making Soldier
- endures losing his mother and his hometown, almost loses Tifa and Zack
- ambushes and overpowers Sephiroth, then rebukes him physically and mentally
- survives Hojo's experiments, mako poisoning and cryogenic suspension despite lacking superpowers
- survives mental trauma of losing Zack
It's only at this point his persona begins to melt down, final nail being driven in by meeting Tifa and essentially reconstructing a new persona to prevent total damage, which is not abnormal reaction to severe trauma.
- can use magic better than normal humans, almost on par with Aertih (an Ancient/Cetra), 100v107 points
- survives fall into Aerith's church, 100m or something IIRC
- has to cope with Sephiroth's (or Jenova's) influence on his mind, which is something most "clones" are entirely incapable of
- can do more squats than there is any sense to do, can dance and even crossdress in public really well despite not wanting to at all – this is something even some players are incapable of accepting omegalul
- fares considerably better than either Tifa or Barret when climbing Shinra building
The list goes on and on if we look at the original game, but I digress.
So no, Cloud has absolutely zero lack of physical or mental power, and it's entirely built into his character arc.
Even Cloud himself in Remake admits he's bad at interacting with other people. Its a sign of someone with a mountain of insecurity issues. Is it hard to imagine that whoever did test him made this conclusion and deciced to pick another candidate?
Thats because he's got into Hojo's extra special "soldier" program.
Being socially awkward does not mean lacking willpower. In AC Cloud is specifically going under the fatal disease Geostigma and depression, but he still cleaves apart the summoned Bahamut, a feat equal of Sephiroth, and overpowers the Remnants before being cured.
Still waiting for those actual examples.
It was an experiment to make them Sephiroth clones.
I don't remember that personally, but she and Barret did do much better in Remake than original. :)
Maybe. Maybe not.
He was judged by others. My original words were "gives impression". And yea, in fact Barret in Remake makes exactly this remark this somewhere between chapter 14 end and 15 start.
Which is basically enhanced version of soldier procedure with some extra spices on top.
At least it gave Cloud soldier abilities. This includes improved spellcasting, not just physical stamina and strength.
If you want to handwave the matter off, just say so.
"Extra spices" which turn people into vegetative wanderers?
It's a sheer miracle Cloud can function at all after the impalement, with the mako poisoning, being turned into (the only successful) Sephiroth clone, and all the mental trauma. There's no attributing that to anything but force of will. We can even see that in Crisis Core where he is shown to be somewhat aware of his surroundings but unable to react due to his weakened state.
If anything, even the regular Soldier treatment has adverse effects on the person's health, lifespan and mental stability, though exceptions like Kunsel do exist, since he seems to be alive still during Remake. But not all Soldier receive Jenova's cells, the program begun before Project G or S. Genesis is only able to survive after being purified of his degradation caused by imperfect Jenova "treatment". In short, receiving Jenova's genetic material is hugely detrimental for most, especially in case of post-natal injection, so it's not a "buff". It's detrimental even to mental stability of such stoic characters such as Sephiroth and Angeal. If nothing else, consider how Sephiroth is able to control Jenova's taint in the lifestream to presumably seize control of the planet as a whole. What do you think it does to a person in long term, hm?
Additionally, the haphazardness of his treatment at hands of Hojo is proven by his susceptibility to yet another occurrence of mako poisoning, though it could also be attributed to the week-long overextended exposure. Zack however as a Soldier is able to survive Hojo's treatment and years of suspension with almost nothing to show for it. Extended mako exposure on its own is extremely detrimental as well, just look up makonoids.
To summarize, we know that Cloud always was a tough nut to crack both physically and mentally, greatly evident just by the manner he rebukes Sephiroth's impalement and effectively defeats him in Nibelheim. He is also the only known Sephiroth clone to survive the condition and one of the very few people who receive Jenova's cells and manages to construct and maintain a protective facade, eventually allowing repairing of his personality. He's also likely the most mako-poisoned being on the planet and somehow still alive and functioning lol.
Does not matter how strong he is inside and what you as a player know. How hard it can be to understand? For this subject it only matters what people around him in this story think when they observe. Barret's talk at chapter 14 end makes it pretty clear its devs intention all along.
Some rando scientist looked at Cloud and decided he's too weak mentally.
That wasnt Hojo's original intent but rather side effect from significantly prolonged exposure which he decided to rebrand as "reunion experiment"
Originally Hojo wanted to make Sephiroth copies ("clone" is misleading mistranslation actually). Copies as in people as strong as Sephiroth. But faster, without wasting decades to raise a child.
Sephiroth can control his "clones" because they all have a suprlus of Jenova genetic material and he controls her. Not because they are his literal clones/doppelgangers.
It is both a buff and a debuff. Otherwise Shinra is dumb and created worse than normal people to act as its superweapon in a war with Witai.
S type is superior as it has almost no negative physical side effects (for example no accelerated degradation), only mental. Cloud is technically S type and received both buffs and debuffs from all this.
I took your list and left only parts that can clearly be attributed to soldier's program buff effects.
The OP asked why Cloud is strong enough to outperform real Soldier members. It's because he has great physical and mental strength despite his problems. It has little to nothing to do with social graces. Everyone knows that Cloud is probably the epitome of antisocial protagonist in the genre. Having insecurities doesn't automatically make you weak-willed. In fact, only the strong are able to live with them and thrive.
Hojo engineered Project S and G himself. He already knew that Sephiroth was a result of pre-natal injection of Jenova cells. It's remarkably different from any other application of Jenova's genetic material in the entire franchise. Zack and Cloud were mere subjects of his Reunion Theory. Hojo is a hack, but he's not such a hack that he would have simply ignored how poorly Project G went in comparison to Project S. If Hojo had wanted to create more supersoldiers instead of simply test his Reunion Theory, he wouldn't have wasted time on physically infirm townsfolk either and should have focused on just Cloud and Zack. This is probably going to be cleared up in the following parts of Remake, but logically it's already deductible. His primary interest has always been to toy with Jenova's remains, not to actually produce anything useful for Shinra unless it aligns with his own goals.
Of all the things you've been wrong about, this takes the cake. You can easily read what Sephiroth clones/copies are and what Project S was about on the Fandom wiki for the franchise. Hint: Cloud is not a fetus.
When I played it, Tifa was waaaaaaaaay ahead of Cloud, Barret had a fight for his life tho.
She does and she's also visibly more exhausted than Cloud is, pacing oneself properly and knowing your limits are also important parts of physical performance.
The "race" also proceeds differently in the original, but I'm having hard time remembering the details. IIRC player-controlled Cloud suffers no adverse effects at all, and can overtake Tifa towards the end. It's interesting how they changed it for Remake.
Cloud was told to stay back and look after Barret, so he wasn't trying to race. In the original, both Tifa and Barret take breaks, Cloud on the other hand does not, and thus he's able to get to the top first.
There's also the fact that in the original Tifa was wearing panties, so she got embarrassed and decided to stay in the back. Remake she wore shorts so that wasn't a problem for her. I did think Remake was funnier overall, but both were great!
Never paid attention to that, the more you know... I'm unsure whether my experience will be improved or degraded knowing that.
There was a question why such a strong-willed person was considered weak-willed and rejected. Here's the answer to that inconsistency. Stop going in circles.
Nope.
Hojo only directed project S. G was ran by his rival. S-type doesnt mean raised from pre-natal stage. There were S types made from adults. In fact I think Sephiroth is the only one made during embryo stage, as a prototype.
The difference from G is that S type gets Jenova cells directly. G gets cells from a human host. This DNA dilution is what causes degradation.
Reunion is a salvaging attempt after Sephiroth copy/clone failed to produce a soldier as strong as Sephiroth.
Also he didnt experiment on random townsfolk. He chose people that showed promise.
Clone from Sector 5 was a former soldier. Cloud killed Sephiroth. We dont know specific reasons why he chose all others but its safe to assume they werent selected at random from pig farmers.[/quote]
Its sad when your only source is a wiki. S has nothing to do with human development stage.