so lets talk about PRICE.

[The bachelor]

so, from my understanding this is about 15% of the orginal game turned into a 40+ experience which bolds well from what i can see it looks like reunion part 2 of 3 will be coming out this winter then rebirth i can only assume that reunion will contain probably contain a large chunk of the main story and rebirth will be the final act parts of the game so probably in total of the 3 games were looking at probably 100+ hours.

the problem is the trilogy part. see if i was paying 80$ for a 100+ hour experience that would honestly probably be extremely worth it. but im not

im paying 70$ for 15% then im probably going to pay another 70$ then one more 70$ so were looking at potentially 210$ not including the 40 dlcs that will probably be released for costumes and ♥♥♥♥ so potentially maybe 300ish dollars?

thats like a lot of money guys, like jesus christ alot of money..like sims 4 amount of money..and i really cant see why they couldnt just make it 40$/50$ bucks i mean for all intense purposes that 15% of the game is still a fully fledged 40+ hour experience but 70$ dollars? it just feels gross.

[Mista Ree]

LordOfTheBread eredeti hozzászólása:

FF7R did cost approx 200M to make overall.

Makes one think doesn't it?

Source: https://screenrant.com/final-fantasy-7-how-much-production-marketing-cost/

It's hard to gauge how much this entry of FF7R specifically cost to develop.

Is that 200 million you're talking out only apply to this game specifically or does it also tie into the budget of the sequels? Is Integrade factored into that budget? What about the original version of the FF7 Remake that was being developed by Cyber Connect? Is the budget of that factored into the 200 million?

Unless somebody has first-hand knowledge of all those parts of the game's development it's kind of hard to pinpoint what the budget was for the product that was released.

[LordOfTheBread]

Mista Ree eredeti hozzászólása:

Dessy Dess 2022 DLC Edition eredeti hozzászólása:

What the frak ever corpo shill, I ain't paying above £40 for the slop casuals like you call triple A video games. Keep on shilling, let's spar again when video games cost £100.

What a shock you can't actually defend what you said or the arguments I put forth so you're trying to brush it all aside and focus on something else.

The price of entertainment is going to increase as it has throughout history. Nothing we do or say will change that but we always have the choice of not engaging with said content. None of it is a necessity the way things like food, fuel, etc, are for people. All of which are things that increase in price as well if you didn't notice but its video game prices that we must take a firm stance on because they are more important than anything else right?

But the price of entertainment already went up, not only our games are sold in parts but DLC and microtransactions are sold on top.

There is really no valid excuse for the price hike when less and less physical goods are produced every year and companies make more and more money as time passes. It is just sheer greed from a comp[any that lost touch on many areas, that chase the live service and fails over and over and sold IP like Deux Ex abd Tomb Raider to fund their want to jump in NFT and play to earn.

Make no mistake, that price hike is paying for that horrid platinum liver servbice that noone asked for and Avengers failure, but I guess you're fine payingf for that.

Mista Ree eredeti hozzászólása:

LordOfTheBread eredeti hozzászólása:

FF7R did cost approx 200M to make overall.

Makes one think doesn't it?

Source: https://screenrant.com/final-fantasy-7-how-much-production-marketing-cost/

It's hard to gauge how much this entry of FF7R specifically cost to develop.

Is that 200 million you're talking out only apply to this game specifically or does it also tie into the budget of the sequels? Is Integrade factored into that budget? What about the original version of the FF7 Remake that was being developed by Cyber Connect? Is the budget of that factored into the 200 million?

Unless somebody has first-hand knowledge of all those parts of the game's development it's kind of hard to pinpoint what the budget was for the product that was released.

True, we have no official number opf the cost of development of FF7R, that said we have numbers on many other narrative experience with teh same amount of content or approching. 200M as a total package does not seem that far fetched especially when the original is still at the top of the lists of the most expensive games to make of all time.

But whatever the game did cost at some point this should not justify the price hike nor the price tag of $70 2 years down the line.

[MysticalPotato]

The bachelor eredeti hozzászólása:

so, from my understanding this is about 15% of the orginal game turned into a 40+ experience which bolds well from what i can see it looks like reunion part 2 of 3 will be coming out this winter then rebirth i can only assume that reunion will contain probably contain a large chunk of the main story and rebirth will be the final act parts of the game so probably in total of the 3 games were looking at probably 100+ hours.

the problem is the trilogy part. see if i was paying 80$ for a 100+ hour experience that would honestly probably be extremely worth it. but im not

im paying 70$ for 15% then im probably going to pay another 70$ then one more 70$ so were looking at potentially 210$ not including the 40 dlcs that will probably be released for costumes and ♥♥♥♥ so potentially maybe 300ish dollars?

thats like a lot of money guys, like jesus christ alot of money..like sims 4 amount of money..and i really cant see why they couldnt just make it 40$/50$ bucks i mean for all intense purposes that 15% of the game is still a fully fledged 40+ hour experience but 70$ dollars? it just feels gross.

They will not be coming out this winter. Next year at the very earliest. And that's just part 2, not 3.

[LordOfTheBread]

MysticalPotato eredeti hozzászólása:

The bachelor eredeti hozzászólása:

so, from my understanding this is about 15% of the orginal game turned into a 40+ experience which bolds well from what i can see it looks like reunion part 2 of 3 will be coming out this winter then rebirth i can only assume that reunion will contain probably contain a large chunk of the main story and rebirth will be the final act parts of the game so probably in total of the 3 games were looking at probably 100+ hours.

the problem is the trilogy part. see if i was paying 80$ for a 100+ hour experience that would honestly probably be extremely worth it. but im not

im paying 70$ for 15% then im probably going to pay another 70$ then one more 70$ so were looking at potentially 210$ not including the 40 dlcs that will probably be released for costumes and ♥♥♥♥ so potentially maybe 300ish dollars?

thats like a lot of money guys, like jesus christ alot of money..like sims 4 amount of money..and i really cant see why they couldnt just make it 40$/50$ bucks i mean for all intense purposes that 15% of the game is still a fully fledged 40+ hour experience but 70$ dollars? it just feels gross.

They will not be coming out this winter. Next year at the very earliest. And that's just part 2, not 3.

Part 2 was annonced for Winter 2022 but delays can always happen.

[MysticalPotato]

LordOfTheBread eredeti hozzászólása:

MysticalPotato eredeti hozzászólása:

They will not be coming out this winter. Next year at the very earliest. And that's just part 2, not 3.

Part 2 was annonced for Winter 2022 but delays can always happen.

announced for 2023 actually and no set date.

[Mista Ree]

LordOfTheBread eredeti hozzászólása:

But the price of entertainment already went up, not only our games are sold in parts but DLC and microtransactions are sold on top.

There is really no valid excuse for the price hike when less and less physical goods are produced every year and companies make more and more money as time passes. It is just sheer greed from a comp[any that lost touch on many areas, that chase the live service and fails over and over and sold IP like Deux Ex abd Tomb Raider to fund their want to jump in NFT and play to earn.

Make no mistake, that price hike is paying for that horrid platinum liver servbice that noone asked for and Avengers failure, but I guess you're fine payingf for that.

The last time the standard full price of games increased was in 2005 with the launch of the Xbox 360. Games went from $50 to $60. If you look at other goods and services between 2005 to 2020 you can see an increase in price in various products however games never increased during that 15 year period.

Based on existing history and economics games should have seen an increase in price around 2015. I want to be clear that I don't want to see games go up in price but them going up in price was always an inevitability and it's surprising it took 15 years before we saw another price increase.

What you're also not taking into account are the royalty percentages of other parties. See every first-party company like Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Valve, etc, gets a cut of all products sold and made on their platforms. That percentage doesn't stay the same over the years though. It increases over time so naturally publishers and developers are going to look things like increasing the prices of games or do more microtransactions and things like that. It's not the best course of action benefiting the consumer but if they, the publishers, are seeing that they are making less of a profit than they used to they're going to try and find ways to circumvent that.

It's similar to when Netflix raised their rates a few years back. Netflix didn't all of a sudden do it out of greed but instead raised their service subscription price because a number of the movie studios that licensed content from like WB, Fox, etc, all at around the same time increased the licensing fees for their products as they saw services like Netflix becoming more popular. To combat those increased licensing fees Netflix raised the price of their subscription.

You're looking at things from the point of view that Square is solely the bad guy here or they are the greedy corporation responsible for all this but the reality is that there are many greedy corporations and they all feed off one or another or greed begets more greed if you want to look at it that way.

True, we have no official number opf the cost of development of FF7R, that said we have numbers on many other narrative experience with teh same amount of content or approching. 200M as a total package does not seem that far fetched especially when the original is still at the top of the lists of the most expensive games to make of all time.

But whatever the game did cost at some point this should not justify the price hike nor the price tag of $70 2 years down the line.

You can't really compare every game that way. Certain companies are better about budgeting than others and budget isn't always a good indicator of quantity of content.

If you look at a list of the most expensive games ever developed you'll see a number that make sense like giant open-world games but then you'll also see something like the 2013 Deadpool game on that list even though that game comes across as incredibly mediocre and generic compared to something like GTA in terms of scope and scale.

As for FF7R's price I'm understanding now that you're complaining about the price jump from the original $60 to the $70 next-gen release. That unfortunately has been a pretty common standard for the last 15 years. When Tomb Raider Legend came out back in 2005 the PS2 version was $50 while the 360 version was $60. We've also seen various remasters of existing games over the years that sell for full price over the years regardless if the remaster is of an 10-year-old game or a 3-year-old game. The age of a game and it's remaster or re-release is generally never a factor for publishers when it comes to releases. In some cases you'll get something like the Spider-Man PS4 to PS5 remaster at a reduced price while others are going to sell for full price.

[ThrillhoMcFly]

LordOfTheBread eredeti hozzászólása:

MysticalPotato eredeti hozzászólása:

They will not be coming out this winter. Next year at the very earliest. And that's just part 2, not 3.

Part 2 was annonced for Winter 2022 but delays can always happen.

They said "next winter" as opposed to "this winter" which they said for the crisis core remake. So I figure since winter is mid-late Dec, that probably puts it in an early 2024 release on rebirth.

[Mista Ree]

LordOfTheBread eredeti hozzászólása:

MysticalPotato eredeti hozzászólása:

They will not be coming out this winter. Next year at the very earliest. And that's just part 2, not 3.

Part 2 was annonced for Winter 2022 but delays can always happen.

The Crisis Core remake was announced for this Winter, 2022. Rebirth was announced for Next Winter, 2023.

Winter for games encompasses that fiscal year, so December through March of the following year. That means Rebirth's currently scheduled release is sometime between December 2023 to March 2024.

It'll most likely come out in February or March, the same time frame that the first game did.

[MysticalPotato]

Mista Ree eredeti hozzászólása:

LordOfTheBread eredeti hozzászólása:

Part 2 was annonced for Winter 2022 but delays can always happen.

The Crisis Core remake was announced for this Winter, 2022. Rebirth was announced for Next Winter, 2023.

Winter for games encompasses that fiscal year, so December through March of the following year. That means Rebirth's currently scheduled release is sometime between December 2023 to March 2024.

It'll most likely come out in February or March, the same time frame that the first game did.

No, it's 2023, so probably Jan-March 2023, not Late 2023 early 2024. You misread/misunderstood

[LordOfTheBread]

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Here we go again.

Mista Ree eredeti hozzászólása:

The last time the standard full price of games increased was in 2005 with the launch of the Xbox 360. Games went from $50 to $60. If you look at other goods and services between 2005 to 2020 you can see an increase in price in various products however games never increased during that 15 year period.

Based on existing history and economics games should have seen an increase in price around 2015. I want to be clear that I don't want to see games go up in price but them going up in price was always an inevitability and it's surprising it took 15 years before we saw another price increase.

Since 2005 the revenue of game companie increased 10 folds with game being teh same price, it is logical for something that sells a lot to go down in price, especially when manufacturing costs are halved as physical supports are not as used anymoe.

Not only this but advertising, unless you are Call of Duty and still insist on making an ad for teh Superbowl, are also less than they were before.

Mista Ree eredeti hozzászólása:

What you're also not taking into account are the royalty percentages of other parties. See every first-party company like Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Valve, etc, gets a cut of all products sold and made on their platforms. That percentage doesn't stay the same over the years though. It increases over time so naturally publishers and developers are going to look things like increasing the prices of games or do more microtransactions and things like that. It's not the best course of action benefiting the consumer but if they, the publishers, are seeing that they are making less of a profit than they used to they're going to try and find ways to circumvent that.

I don't have to take into account anytyhing, back in 2005 Steam still took 30% as well as Sony, nothing has changed here not that it should affect the end user anyway.

Mista Ree eredeti hozzászólása:

It's similar to when Netflix raised their rates a few years back. Netflix didn't all of a sudden do it out of greed but instead raised their service subscription price because a number of the movie studios that licensed content from like WB, Fox, etc, all at around the same time increased the licensing fees for their products as they saw services like Netflix becoming more popular. To combat those increased licensing fees Netflix raised the price of their subscription.

Netflix raised their subscription price because they are bleeding users due to plartforms being exclusive. Netflix was doing just fine when they could stream Disney nlockbusters, they can'tr anymore.

Does not take a rocket scientist to understand that the streaming bubble is about to burst because you need way too many subs to watch everything but what does that have to do with the price hike of videogames? Exactly nothing.

Mista Ree eredeti hozzászólása:

You're looking at things from the point of view that Square is solely the bad guy here or they are the greedy corporation responsible for all this but the reality is that there are many greedy corporations and they all feed off one or another or greed begets more greed if you want to look at it that way.

I am a consumer, I don't have to change my point of vier and neither does anyone that does not fgfanboi over said company. Bottom line is companies are making more money than before and still raise prices while consumers are not earning that much more.

True, we have no official number opf the cost of development of FF7R, that said we have numbers on many other narrative experience with teh same amount of content or approching. 200M as a total package does not seem that far fetched especially when the original is still at the top of the lists of the most expensive games to make of all time.

But whatever the game did cost at some point this should not justify the price hike nor the price tag of $70 2 years down the line.

Mista Ree eredeti hozzászólása:

You can't really compare every game that way. Certain companies are better about budgeting than others and budget isn't always a good indicator of quantity of content.

If you look at a list of the most expensive games ever developed you'll see a number that make sense like giant open-world games but then you'll also see something like the 2013 Deadpool game on that list even though that game comes across as incredibly mediocre and generic compared to something like GTA in terms of scope and scale.

As for FF7R's price I'm understanding now that you're complaining about the price jump from the original $60 to the $70 next-gen release. That unfortunately has been a pretty common standard for the last 15 years. When Tomb Raider Legend came out back in 2005 the PS2 version was $50 while the 360 version was $60. We've also seen various remasters of existing games over the years that sell for full price over the years regardless if the remaster is of an 10-year-old game or a 3-year-old game. The age of a game and it's remaster or re-release is generally never a factor for publishers when it comes to releases. In some cases you'll get something like the Spider-Man PS4 to PS5 remaster at a reduced price while others are going to sell for full price.

Sorry I stopped readin because aty some point how long will you defend the corporation for jacking up prices when they make record profits?

Keep on shilling I guess, I'm out of here.

[Mista Ree]

MysticalPotato eredeti hozzászólása:

Mista Ree eredeti hozzászólása:

The Crisis Core remake was announced for this Winter, 2022. Rebirth was announced for Next Winter, 2023.

Winter for games encompasses that fiscal year, so December through March of the following year. That means Rebirth's currently scheduled release is sometime between December 2023 to March 2024.

It'll most likely come out in February or March, the same time frame that the first game did.

No, it's 2023, so probably Jan-March 2023, not Late 2023 early 2024. You misread/misunderstood

No, the end of the Rebirth trailer literally says "Next Winter" for Rebirth and "This Winter" for Crisis Core.

https://i.imgur.com/nXm7MEZ.png

https://youtu.be/H_4CkyOmuuU

Winter lasts from December through March. That means the Winter of 2022 is December 2022 through March 2023. Next Winter would be December 2023 - March 2024

https://i.imgur.com/IeQ3qCm.png

[Mista Ree]

LordOfTheBread eredeti hozzászólása:

Sorry I stopped readin because aty some point how long will you defend the corporation for jacking up prices when they make record profits?

Keep on shilling I guess, I'm out of here.

You still can't understand the difference between someone understanding and explaining something vs someone defending something.

If I don't share the exact same views as you or validate your opinion about something you're against then to you that automatically means I'm for that thing when that's not the case at all.

Just because I can explain to you why it's raining outside doesn't mean I'm "defending" the rain.

[Athmet]

Mista Ree eredeti hozzászólása:

LordOfTheBread eredeti hozzászólása:

Sorry I stopped readin because aty some point how long will you defend the corporation for jacking up prices when they make record profits?

Keep on shilling I guess, I'm out of here.

You still can't understand the difference between someone understanding and explaining something vs someone defending something.

If I don't share the exact same views as you or validate your opinion about something you're against then to you that automatically means I'm for that thing when that's not the case at all.

Just because I can explain to you why it's raining outside doesn't mean I'm "defending" the rain.

Can we pin this on every Steam subforums mods please ?

[LordOfTheBread]

Mista Ree eredeti hozzászólása:

LordOfTheBread eredeti hozzászólása:

Sorry I stopped readin because aty some point how long will you defend the corporation for jacking up prices when they make record profits?

Keep on shilling I guess, I'm out of here.

You still can't understand the difference between someone understanding and explaining something vs someone defending something.

If I don't share the exact same views as you or validate your opinion about something you're against then to you that automatically means I'm for that thing when that's not the case at all.

Just because I can explain to you why it's raining outside doesn't mean I'm "defending" the rain.

Sure, whatever you say, you realize that not all AAA companies moved on to this new pricing model right?

It is only ineluctable if people agree to it, one day we will realize that we are the many and they are the few and as such we do have more power than them. Of course that will only happen if we stop finding excuses for the few to manipulate us into believing that they need to jack up the prices because how can they get that 20% increase of revenue year over year to please their investors if they don't?

So ytep, this rain is fabricated and you're totally defending it, at least own it.

[Athmet]

LordOfTheBread eredeti hozzászólása:

Mista Ree eredeti hozzászólása:

You still can't understand the difference between someone understanding and explaining something vs someone defending something.

If I don't share the exact same views as you or validate your opinion about something you're against then to you that automatically means I'm for that thing when that's not the case at all.

Just because I can explain to you why it's raining outside doesn't mean I'm "defending" the rain.

Sure, whatever you say, you realize that not all AAA companies moved on to this new pricing model right?

It is only ineluctable if people agree to it, one day we will realize that we are the many and they are the few and as such we do have more power than them. Of course that will only happen if we stop finding excuses for the few to manipulate us into believing that they need to jack up the prices because how can they get that 20% increase of revenue year over year to please their investors if they don't?

So ytep, this rain is fabricated and you're totally defending it, at least own it.

Then vote for change instead of whining on gaming forums.