This isn't actually a Remake

[MinocFox]

Don't get bait and switched. The "Remake" was a charade from the beginning. It's a sequel with fan service and fan-fiction levels of story telling. They reaped all the benefits of hyping up a Remake for years. How there isn't more outrage about this with all the scummy practices companies do I don't know.

But we all know FF fans are loyal to a fault to Square, that's why they will gladly let Final Fantasy turn from a JRPG to Action games now.

[Idbuddy]

引用自 xNothing：

Zack changes how the Dynamic works and Rebirth confirms in some ways its a part of the story
my original idea is the they are in the life stream during all of remake

Makes some sense as the ending in og confirms humanity dies off and dirge explains how they die off but for all we know it's either multiple timelines, or a bait and switch where you saved him from his initial death but he dies in some other way before the start of 7r. Kinda like how biggs, wedge, and potentially jessie are "alive"

[Stoibs]

The Zack thing makes me wonder how this new Crisis Core remaster is actually going to change now also

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引用自 ItsRay：

引用自 xNothing：

You are still WRONG its not 1/3 of game its 1/3 of a trilogy and its a full game, also on sale and authorized sites have it cheaper, only people like yourself pay full prices instead of looking for a deal

Yeah, and only people like you buy 25 year old game for 240$ plus DLC.

i never pay full price unless is a resident evil game , or game by dark souls creators and any other capcom game , quality baby

[Bronson]

引用自 Tiz：

Don't get bait and switched. The "Remake" was a charade from the beginning. It's a sequel with fan service and fan-fiction levels of story telling. They reaped all the benefits of hyping up a Remake for years. How there isn't more outrage about this with all the scummy practices companies do I don't know.

But we all know FF fans are loyal to a fault to Square, that's why they will gladly let Final Fantasy turn from a JRPG to Action games now.

FF7s battle system (and most turn based battle systems) are not as fun as they used to be. Gameplay has advanced too much to the point that those that really enjoy turn based battles like the classic FF games are rare in an already niche genre. Thank ♥♥♥♥ they have adapted the combat.

That all being said, crying over a year later that this game is not a "remake" is sad. Get the ♥♥♥♥ over it. Ive played JRPGs for over 25 years and FF7 is easily in my top 3 of JRPGs of all time. I played the original through about 15 times or so and I think remake is a great addition to the compilation

[Metadragon]

引用自 Redblaze27：

引用自 Sly Alchemist：

Don't spoil the twist!

I personally believe its a disservice to the original game and especially to Remake to let people have the wrong idea.

A LOT of people were livid to find out it wasnt a remake and were jumping to the most bad faith arguement they could to validate their anger.

I dont want people to feel burned, and I also want people to take in Remake for what it is, and what it appears to be doing (not "NoMuRA KiNgDoM HeArTs Bs!!").

It wasnt a "LOT" of people. A couple dozen ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on reddit dont count as that much.
?Most people seem to be quite interested which is why Rebirth is getting such a great reception.

However you are right. Its not a remake as we would call it. I think Remake and not Intergrade and Rebirth are supposed to be significant as to whats going on in the game.

Remake isnt a FF7 remake, Its Sephiroth remaking the timeline to suit his ends. Intergrade by definition is "pass into another form by a series of intervening forms." which alludes to Yuffie being the central focus, her abilities are a test for features they plan to include in the future and it gives us details about other stuff thats never mentioned in the original like Genesis and DEEPGROUND which shows that the form its taking is different too and is going to be included "before its time"

Rebirth could allude to anything. Sephiroth's timeline coming to fruition, Cloud awakening to his "past" and avoiding mistakes. Being reborn. Or Zack LITERALLY being reborn and revived from his supposed dead state.

etc.

Its misleading that they called it remake but they knew exactly what saying that would get them in terms of fan response. It may not even be a bad thing. Its said multiple times in the FF7 games that though Cloud and company win, this is still the timeline where life goes extinct. They allude to it in Advent Children (and Sephiroth's return) and Dirge of Cerberus.

[bizarre]

引用自 Stoibs：

The Zack thing makes me wonder how this new Crisis Core remaster is actually going to change now also :lunar2020thinkingtiger:

2022 and people still don't understand the difference between remaster and remake. wtf

[Metadragon]

引用自 Stoibs：

The Zack thing makes me wonder how this new Crisis Core remaster is actually going to change now also :lunar2020thinkingtiger:

I think its a straight remaster.

I think they want a way for new fans to have the "old" story readily available while they try this new timeline of events. I mean Intergrade shows something that should not be no matter how much of a remake it is.

So Crisis Core is just a straight remaster. I think that mobile FF7 game remake is a truncated version of the original timeline too, again so people have a readily accessible version to play to reference the differences going forward.

[Stoibs]

引用自 bizarre：

引用自 Stoibs：

The Zack thing makes me wonder how this new Crisis Core remaster is actually going to change now also

2022 and people still don't understand the difference between remaster and remake. wtf

Oh Get outta here with that condescending high horsing and try to draw some context from what I said.

Clearly the events at the end of Intergrade are a huge contradiction to what we knew as established canon, so Crisis Core *just* being a remaster in 2022 when they are already rewriting the expanded FF7 universe would just create more inconsistencies and confusion.

引用自 Metadragon: Destroyer of Hope：

I think its a straight remaster.

I think they want a way for new fans to have the "old" story readily available while they try this new timeline of events. I mean Intergrade shows something that should not be no matter how much of a remake it is.

So Crisis Core is just a straight remaster. I think that mobile FF7 game remake is a truncated version of the original timeline too, again so people have a readily accessible version to play to reference the differences going forward.

On the other hand this being a reference point for the younger audience makes a bit more sense.. I suppose I can see why establishing some of these side-games' lore is more important going forward. I can't imagine that epilogue cliffhanger means a whole lot to people who barely even knew who Zack was, afterall.

As an aside I actually really liked what I saw from that mobile game too with the classic-yet-uprezzed graphic style and turnbased system which I much more prefer, too bad it'll probably end up being a malicious gacha/pay-to-win thing

[Redblaze27]

引用自 Metadragon: Destroyer of Hope：

引用自 Stoibs：

The Zack thing makes me wonder how this new Crisis Core remaster is actually going to change now also :lunar2020thinkingtiger:

I think its a straight remaster.

I think they will add a secret boss or event that will trigger the "Zack Survives" outcome from Remake, but otherwise just a remaster.

[Idbuddy]

引用自 Metadragon: Destroyer of Hope：

Its misleading that they called it remake but they knew exactly what saying that would get them in terms of fan response. It may not even be a bad thing. Its said multiple times in the FF7 games that though Cloud and company win, this is still the timeline where life goes extinct. They allude to it in Advent Children (and Sephiroth's return) and Dirge of Cerberus.

So a remake that uses all the expanded lore not just og to re-contextualize the entire story with their natural consequences(i.e. deep ground, g cells etc.) that itself works also as a sequel to the expanded games, books, movie.

[Metadragon]

引用自 hunterd1：

引用自 Metadragon: Destroyer of Hope：

Its misleading that they called it remake but they knew exactly what saying that would get them in terms of fan response. It may not even be a bad thing. Its said multiple times in the FF7 games that though Cloud and company win, this is still the timeline where life goes extinct. They allude to it in Advent Children (and Sephiroth's return) and Dirge of Cerberus.

So a remake that uses all the expanded lore not just og to re-contextualize the entire story with their natural consequences(i.e. deep ground, g cells etc.) that itself works also as a sequel to the expanded games, books, movie.

Mostly yeah. The thing is Cloud and others have shown flashbacks to events of the previous games including FF7. Aerith know she is fated to die (though due to the twist at the end of the game it may or may happen now. The thing is most characters outside Aerith dont get as complete a picture and they are left confused more than anything.

Its a sequel. Its also a spin off of sorts.

Again I explained the names of the titles. Remake, Intermission which merged into Intergrade, to intergrade something is to transition it from one thing to another. In this case the old timeline which already happened and this new timeline that has knowledge of that old timeline.

And Rebirth which who knows but may involve Sephiroth's rebirth, or Zack's or even Cloud's.

And thats not even all. Zack is shown surviving at the end of Intermission but its in a Midgar thats slightly different from the one we saw. So their might well be 3 timelines now. The Original Compilation timeline. The Remake timeline and Zack's Timeline.

And good old Sephiroth is waiting is pulling strings.

These arent theories, these are things shown to us in game.

[Idbuddy]

引用自 Metadragon: Destroyer of Hope：

Mostly yeah. The thing is Cloud and others have shown flashbacks to events of the previous games including FF7....
These arent theories, these are things shown to us in game.

I've played the game and dlc already I know whats up my comment was more in line with the "is it or isn't it a remake" debate for the game because too many people think in binary on this topic and are highly resistant to the idea. Ultimately the problem is that the language and standard for what constitutes a remake has changed. Just like what we would call a port now would be considered a remake in the 80s. (prince of persia was ported to other computers but the first time it was it was called a remake despite being literally the same game) and how resident evil 1 was considered a remake in the 2000's but looking at it now it falls more in line with a remaster is and and games like re2/3 remake, and trials of mana clearly fall into remake territory despite not being 1:1.

[Redblaze27]

No, RE1 remake is a remake as the very tone of the game has changed.

FFVII Remake is not a remake because its a sequel.

People dont consider Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memores of Kingdom Hearts Coded remakes.

[Mauman]

FFVII's plot was already a mess at times.

Throwing alternate realities and time travel is just too much :/

[MinocFox]

引用自 xNothing：

引用自 Tiz：

Don't get bait and switched. The "Remake" was a charade from the beginning. It's a sequel with fan service and fan-fiction levels of story telling. They reaped all the benefits of hyping up a Remake for years. How there isn't more outrage about this with all the scummy practices companies do I don't know.

But we all know FF fans are loyal to a fault to Square, that's why they will gladly let Final Fantasy turn from a JRPG to Action games now.

everyone knew that 2 years ago, did you stop eating crayons long enough to post this?

Some of the people in this thread clearly haven't realized it's not a remake or a reimagining by the looks of this thread lmao