Just wanna say regarding Tifa....

[Kaworu]

...A girl wearing clothes that show cleavage isn't innately sexual. Real teenage girls wear clothes that show their cleave all the time. Her goofy cowgirl outfit in that scene was already pretty conservative with how much she was covered up. If you think a 15 year old character showing any semblance of cleavage is "sexualizing" them than that says more about YOU than it does anyone else.

[Weltall8000]

Originally posted by FreshRevenge:

Originally posted by Mambius:

Well it looks kinda weird when people whine about how a 15year olds cleavage is getting covered. But I am against censorship.

If it was such a big deal that she was 15, they would have added the censorship 4 years ago. But it wasn't.

So what, she is 15? You don't think 15 year old boys don't like to look at 15 year old girls with cleavage? You don't think teenagers might want to play this game?

I remember playing the game and watching the cutscenes in the flashback and her cleavage was far my mind during the scene but you got people who probably don't play games just going out of their way to demonize a harmless outfit.

I think it's stupid that they finally censoring it now since FF 7 Rebirth has Tifa in a bathing suit showing off her cleavage. Makes me wonder if they will find a way to censor that. If they do that. People are are just going to blacklist Square Enix and they can go make bankrupt games.

The more likely reason for the change and timing is because of continuity with Rebirth's design.

It's the subset of outrage defending the old model specifically for its content's sake ("don't cover up hot women!") that is weird and questionable.

[Faiyez]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Censorship is only a problem if it's being forced on an artist by others. If an artist decides he wants to PG up his work a little bit, however, then he should be free to do so.

At this stage it's extremely disingenuous to suggest the character designers modified Tifa of their own volition without any pressure from any ethics department staffed by Westerners or an external consulting company. The amount of copium that you need to huff for this is crazy.

That being said, self censorship is censorship all the same. Morally they should not allow themselves to tone down a product they previously published and already profit from.

[Weltall8000]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Originally posted by Giganx:

Censorship is only a problem if it's being forced on an artist by others. If an artist decides he wants to PG up his work a little bit, however, then he should be free to do so.

At this stage it's extremely disingenuous to suggest the character designers modified Tifa of their own volition without any pressure from any ethics department staffed by Westerners or an external consulting company. The amount of copium that you need to huff for this is crazy.

That being said, self censorship is censorship all the same. Morally they should not allow themselves to tone down a product they previously published and already profit from.

Demonstrate external, western pressure, let alone being forced to do so.

So, you still maintain that artists should not have creative control over their art, nice.

[Faiyez]

Originally posted by Weltall8000:

Originally posted by Faiyez:

At this stage it's extremely disingenuous to suggest the character designers modified Tifa of their own volition without any pressure from any ethics department staffed by Westerners or an external consulting company. The amount of copium that you need to huff for this is crazy.

That being said, self censorship is censorship all the same. Morally they should not allow themselves to tone down a product they previously published and already profit from.

Demonstrate external, western pressure, let alone being forced to do so.

Kitase himself said so in an interview that the ethics dept got Tifa changed in Remake. We've known this since 2020 but you're in denial.

[Faiyez]

Originally posted by Weltall8000:

So, you still maintain that artists should not have creative control over their art, nice.

If they do it to water down the released product they profit from, it's morally reprehensible.

[FreshRevenge]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Originally posted by Weltall8000:

Demonstrate external, western pressure, let alone being forced to do so.

Kitase himself said so in an interview that the ethics dept got Tifa changed in Remake. We've known this since 2020 but you're in denial.

They said they reduced Tifa breast size. Which to be honest when Final Fantasy 7 came out on the PS1 it was just pixels. Personally I didn't see her size to be a problem, they still looked good and now with Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth and her beach outfit, it just shows people that she does have big breasts.

I do find it odd that people are against cleavage? That women have to wear clothing to hide the hideous cleavage that men are drawn to.

When you look at their ethic department it's probably a bunch of unattractive couch potatoes.

[Sylvester Graves]

Originally posted by FreshRevenge:

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Kitase himself said so in an interview that the ethics dept got Tifa changed in Remake. We've known this since 2020 but you're in denial.

They said they reduced Tifa breast size. Which to be honest when Final Fantasy 7 came out on the PS1 it was just pixels. Personally I didn't see her size to be a problem, they still looked good and now with Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth and her beach outfit, it just shows people that she does have big breasts.

I do find it odd that people are against cleavage? That women have to wear clothing to hide the hideous cleavage that men are drawn to.

When you look at their ethic department it's probably a bunch of unattractive couch potatoes.

and thats why people are not having it, they are sick of these ugly couch potato forcing their bs down our throats, we want attractive women in our games and we want them now

[Giganx]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Originally posted by Giganx:

Censorship is only a problem if it's being forced on an artist by others. If an artist decides he wants to PG up his work a little bit, however, then he should be free to do so.

At this stage it's extremely disingenuous to suggest the character designers modified Tifa of their own volition without any pressure from any ethics department staffed by Westerners or an external consulting company. The amount of copium that you need to huff for this is crazy.

That being said, self censorship is censorship all the same. Morally they should not allow themselves to tone down a product they previously published and already profit from.

So, why did the "ethics" department greenlight the original design and keep it that way for 4 years? Where were these consultants, who apparently have Square Enix at gunpoint, over the last 4 years?

A change this small being made in response to nothing, and with no announcement or fanfare, is almost definitely just a benign design decision they made internally. Creative types alter their work sometimes, and should be allowed to. This is a "you" problem.

[Sylvester Graves]

Originally posted by God-of-Rpgz:

Originally posted by Serenzah Graves:

and thats why people are not having it, they are sick of these ugly couch potato forcing their bs down our throats, we want attractive women in our games and we want them now

and this is why you shouldn't be talking about this. all women are attractive and beautiful in their own way and not just outward. the fact people grow up thinking women have a set way or they aren't is pretty fking shocking.

get outta here white knight, aint nobody buying that ♥♥♥♥.

[Sylvester Graves]

Originally posted by God-of-Rpgz:

Originally posted by Serenzah Graves:

get outta here white knight, aint nobody buying that ♥♥♥♥.

real women prefer guys who don't imaging pixel sex bro... there is nothing white night about showing you are nothing more than a pervert and creep towards young girls.

i don't care, real women steal your money and make your life ♥♥♥♥♥♥.
i cannot think of a better time to be single then now.
nobody will take you seriously when you white knight and defend stupidity not to mentions make stupid assumptions about people you have never met.

[Sylvester Graves]

Originally posted by God-of-Rpgz:

Originally posted by Serenzah Graves:

i don't care, real women steal your money and make your life ♥♥♥♥♥♥.
i cannot think of a better time to be single then now.
nobody will take you seriously when you white knight and defend stupidity not to mentions make stupid assumptions about people you have never met.

real women feel good, smell nice and are warm and real, they make you feel better as a human/person that is something a pixel can never give you, someone real but this mind set will damage you in life so i honestly hope you get out of that mindset eventually.

the price is your entire soul and life savings, id rather stay single thanks :)

[Faiyez]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by Faiyez:

At this stage it's extremely disingenuous to suggest the character designers modified Tifa of their own volition without any pressure from any ethics department staffed by Westerners or an external consulting company. The amount of copium that you need to huff for this is crazy.

That being said, self censorship is censorship all the same. Morally they should not allow themselves to tone down a product they previously published and already profit from.

So, why did the "ethics" department greenlight the original design and keep it that way for 4 years? Where were these consultants, who apparently have Square Enix at gunpoint, over the last 4 years?

A change this small being made in response to nothing, and with no announcement or fanfare, is almost definitely just a benign design decision they made internally. Creative types alter their work sometimes, and should be allowed to. This is a "you" problem.

You being in denial about what happened isn't my problem.

[FreshRevenge]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by Faiyez:

At this stage it's extremely disingenuous to suggest the character designers modified Tifa of their own volition without any pressure from any ethics department staffed by Westerners or an external consulting company. The amount of copium that you need to huff for this is crazy.

That being said, self censorship is censorship all the same. Morally they should not allow themselves to tone down a product they previously published and already profit from.

So, why did the "ethics" department greenlight the original design and keep it that way for 4 years? Where were these consultants, who apparently have Square Enix at gunpoint, over the last 4 years?

A change this small being made in response to nothing, and with no announcement or fanfare, is almost definitely just a benign design decision they made internally. Creative types alter their work sometimes, and should be allowed to. This is a "you" problem.

I don't know but I am sure the original team who made the game, had no issues with it. But now these companies are filled with DEI, ESG and Sweet Baby Inc embedded into their business. I wouldn't find it hard to believe some new diversity hires decided to make the change and say it's imperative to appeal to the "modern Audience".

It reminds me of the Miranda ass shot in Mass Effect 2. Some guy who didn't work on the original game, decides to make a decision and to make claim it's in the best interest of the company to alter the angles.

You don't see musicians changing their lyrics to be politically correct.

The whole thing is stupid, they could made updates to improve the game, fixed bugs. Changing a characters outfit seems low priority and just seems like the moral police are banging on the doors to annoy people for no reason.

[Giganx]

Originally posted by God-of-Rpgz:

Originally posted by Serenzah Graves:

and thats why people are not having it, they are sick of these ugly couch potato forcing their bs down our throats, we want attractive women in our games and we want them now

and this is why you shouldn't be talking about this. all women are attractive and beautiful in their own way and not just outward. the fact people grow up thinking women have a set way or they aren't is pretty fking shocking.

lol.

Nah, most women are overweight, mediocre and/or flat out ugly. Most men are to. You're forced to tolerate it in real life but I definitely don't want that in my escapist fantasy media. I want to be looking at 10's.

[Sylvester Graves]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by God-of-Rpgz:

and this is why you shouldn't be talking about this. all women are attractive and beautiful in their own way and not just outward. the fact people grow up thinking women have a set way or they aren't is pretty fking shocking.

lol.

Nah, most women are overweight, mediocre and/or flat out ugly. Most men are to. You're forced to tolerate it in real life but I definitely don't want that in my escapist fantasy media. I want to be looking at 10's.

PREACH!