Square Enix is petty and very pathetic

[Faiyez]

Imagine going to the trouble of shipping updates to Remake just to cover up teenage Tifa.

[WhateverWorks]

Originally posted by NickelToe:

15 year old pixels bad!
12 year old transitioning good! (ignoring every bit of relevant statistical data)

I've yet to hear a single person claim to hold both of these views simultaneously. Why you're attributing them to anyone who disagrees with you, I'm not sure. I guess so you can tell yourself that people who don't agree with you are wrong based on self contradiction, but that's you deciding you're right because you said so. The rest of your rant really isn't worth responding to, since you're not actually going to listen to what people say. You're just going to decide what they think and "debate" based on that. But yeah, the same people who are for this change are also fully against the things you ranted about too. I only see you being wishy-washy about your views depending on the subject frankly.

[FreshRevenge]

I laugh at people using this "She is 15 years old" She was 15 years 4 years ago and no one cared about her outfit. There was no outcry or rebuttals with "She is 15 years old" I looked through the pages before this censorship and no one was talking about it.

Tiffa wasn't wearing lingerie or a g-string in the scene. And you if tell me that 15 year old girls wouldn't wear something like Tiffa's outfit, you are damn liar. Her outfit wasn't bad or alarming.

If SE finds this offensive now, what else are they going to find offensive. Are they going to retroactively censor their entire backlog of games?

The op is right it's petty and pathetic.

[Echun]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Imagine going to the trouble of shipping updates to Remake just to cover up teenage Tifa.

Ethics board only has lattes and asparagus in their work diaries, they need to create problems to justify existence, this is what they do. Truly pathetic.

There is probably a bunch of scenes the creators wanted in, but have been denied by this pack of wretches. Hope ya all get hot snakes!

[WhateverWorks]

Originally posted by FreshRevenge:

There was no outcry or rebuttals with "She is 15 years old" I looked through the pages before this censorship and no one was talking about it.

This works both ways though. It's extremely telling that people are this upset about this change. This isn't something that should matter at all, let alone to the extent people are making it out to matter. You'd think they put every female in the series in a nun's outfit the way you people are acting about it. Like the people who seem to think Miranda's buttshots in Mass Effect were the single most important 4 seconds of frames in the entire series.

[FreshRevenge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXUxPWyxnF8

This videos shows of Nibelheim incident in Remake. At 4:03, it shows Tiffa upset and they barely show you anything. Are you telling me that this 1 to 2 second clip has people complaining that "She is only 15 years old"?

There was another scene with her wearing a green dress, why didn't sensor that? You see some cleavage. I mean if we want to be cynical we can say her back is exposed and arms are exposed. Just put a damn turtle neck sweater on her.

[WhateverWorks]

The people who are upset are the ones upset there are less skin pixels. The people saying the change is fine aren't upset. They're fine with it. They're questioning why the rest of you are so upset, as they should.

[Minute-globe]

Originally posted by WhateverWorks:

The people who are upset are the ones upset there are less skin pixels. The people saying the change is fine aren't upset. They're questioning why the rest of you are so upset, as they should.

here's an thought, has ANYONE considered that people are TIRED OF BEING TREATED LIKE CHILDREN FROM MEGA CORPORATIONS? OH NO, I'M ALMOST 30 YEARS OLD! QUICK DADDY SQUARE, SHIELD MY EYES FROM SLIGHT CLEAVAGE THAT ISN'T EVEN PROVOCATIVE AT ALL!

[Overwatch Better.]

Originally posted by Andy546:

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Exactly.

It's simply perverse to obfuscate the truth. They're censoring creative work done specifically for Remake. These people have no self respect.

She is a CHILD. Do you understand what that means? You need to sort yourself out.

She is a FICTIONAL character made of polygons and textures, why you cant even grasp that.

[WhateverWorks]

It's not so much anyone worried about what you see I don't think, so much as those who created it deciding they want it to be different. And as both the creators of it, and the literal owners of it, they have that right.

On a very fundamental level, anyone calling this "censorship" is demanding that no one have a right to own anything, not even their own creative expression.

[Echun]

Originally posted by WhateverWorks:

Originally posted by FreshRevenge:

There was no outcry or rebuttals with "She is 15 years old" I looked through the pages before this censorship and no one was talking about it.

This works both ways though. It's extremely telling that people are this upset about this change. This isn't something that should matter at all, let alone to the extend people are making it out to matter. You'd think they put every female in the series in a nun's outfit the way you people are acting about it. Like the people who seem to think Miranda's buttshots in Mass Effect were the single most important 4 seconds of frames in the entire series.

Another one telling us what should matter and what shouldn't! Go join the ethics board they love to lecture other people about what matters.

[Weltall8000]

Originally posted by Minuteworld94:

Originally posted by WhateverWorks:

The people who are upset are the ones upset there are less skin pixels. The people saying the change is fine aren't upset. They're questioning why the rest of you are so upset, as they should.

here's an thought, has ANYONE considered that people are TIRED OF BEING TREATED LIKE CHILDREN FROM MEGA CORPORATIONS? OH NO, I'M ALMOST 30 YEARS OLD! QUICK DADDY SQUARE, SHIELD MY EYES FROM SLIGHT CLEAVAGE THAT ISN'T EVEN PROVOCATIVE AT ALL!

I mean, you act like one.

[FreshRevenge]

Originally posted by WhateverWorks:

Originally posted by FreshRevenge:

There was no outcry or rebuttals with "She is 15 years old" I looked through the pages before this censorship and no one was talking about it.

This works both ways though. It's extremely telling that people are this upset about this change. This isn't something that should matter at all, let alone to the extent people are making it out to matter. You'd think they put every female in the series in a nun's outfit the way you people are acting about it. Like the people who seem to think Miranda's buttshots in Mass Effect were the single most important 4 seconds of frames in the entire series.

First of all the Miranda butt scene was barely a second. The dev team was a bunch of guys making a game. What are we going criminalize guys for being guys? It was silly but no one hated it unless you are talking about your Anita Saarkesians of the world.

I think people are upset because 1 it didn't need changing. And it shows us that SE can now just censor anything now because they got a bunch of DEI or feminists working in their Ethics Department.

[WhateverWorks]

Originally posted by FreshRevenge:

First of all the Miranda butt scene was barely a second. The dev team was a bunch of guys making a game. What are we going criminalize guys for being guys? It was silly but no one hated it unless you are talking about your Anita Saarkesians of the world.

I think people are upset because 1 it didn't changing. And it shows us that SE can now just censor anything now because they got a bunch of DEI or feminists working in their Ethics Department.

I guess you don't even know what I'm talking about in regards to Mass Effect. People absolutely lost their gourds, because the buttshots were taken out in Legendary Edition. All these same "censorship" people came out crying, and all the same "creative freedom belongs to the creators of the art" debates went on. People demanded others boycott the game and the company.

Over buttshots. Buttshots that literally are a moment out of a 100+ hour trilogy. And that's exactly what this whole situation is again, except this time its focused on a few moments during which the character depicted is depicted as underage.

[Minute-globe]

Originally posted by Weltall8000:

Originally posted by Minuteworld94:

here's an thought, has ANYONE considered that people are TIRED OF BEING TREATED LIKE CHILDREN FROM MEGA CORPORATIONS? OH NO, I'M ALMOST 30 YEARS OLD! QUICK DADDY SQUARE, SHIELD MY EYES FROM SLIGHT CLEAVAGE THAT ISN'T EVEN PROVOCATIVE AT ALL!

I mean, you act like one.

yeah thanks for that very insightful contribution, fart huffer. go ♥♥♥♥♥ about us to your fellow redditors and farm those upboats.

[FreshRevenge]

Originally posted by WhateverWorks:

Originally posted by FreshRevenge:

First of all the Miranda butt scene was barely a second. The dev team was a bunch of guys making a game. What are we going criminalize guys for being guys? It was silly but no one hated it unless you are talking about your Anita Saarkesians of the world.

I think people are upset because 1 it didn't changing. And it shows us that SE can now just censor anything now because they got a bunch of DEI or feminists working in their Ethics Department.

I guess you don't even know what I'm talking about in regards to Mass Effect. People absolutely lost their gourds, because the buttshots were taken out in Legendary Edition. All these same "censorship" people came out crying, and all the same "creative freedom belongs to the creators of the art" debates went on. People demanded others boycott the game and the company.

Over buttshots. Buttshots that literally are a moment out of a 100+ hour trilogy. And that's exactly what this whole situation is again, except this time its focused on a few moments during which the character depicted is depicted as underage.

I do know because it was dumb then. Some guy who didn't work on the original games decides to change the camera angles.

It wasn't a big deal. LIke Tiffa's outfit wasn't a big deal but we got these people who make it a big deal and change it and that is why you got people like me complaining because the game didn't need changing.