Why is Rebirth not selling as well as Remake?

[👽Shini]

how many copies of rebirth was sold in the 1st week? 260,000
2nd week? 24,000

remake's sales for the 1st week was 700,000

ff16, released a week earlier sold in 1st week: 336,000

ff8 1st week - 1,954,000


sony releases their exclusives on pc now. there's no reason to place yourself in the never ending road of being forced to buy a playstation every time a new DLC is released turns out to be for the next console.
For example, people who bought FF7R to play on the PS4 had to buy a PS5 to play the Yuffie DLC, then FF7 Twin pack was released with better graphics for PS5, then it is most likely FF7Rebirth's DLC will be released for PS6 instead of PS5.
PS5 was released in 2020, so it's not strange to expect PS6 by 2028.
By then FF7 part 3 will be released for the PS6, and a triple pack of all three FF7 will be released. So why should anyone buy a PS "exclusive" game as soon as they release?
Sony's method of forcing people to buy their next console is becoming less effective since they've been releasing their exclusives on the PC.
Not only that, Sony has turned their backs on loyal customers who buy physical copies of their FF7 rebirth and received a mis-printed label discs and Sony didn't bother recalling them to fix this issue. This shows there's a serious issue within their quality department. It wasn't just a few discs that became rare by mislabeling. These were thousands of copies that had the mislabels. Sony just didn't see it financially worth it to recall them. "If it works, just use it" they said.
Sony is neglecting their loyal customer base and reaching out to new customers on the PC market and it's not helping them in the long run. By comparison Nintendo is doing very well and their games have been selling like hotcakes as soon as they release, due to the trust from customers that Nintendo's games will always be exclusive to Nintendo and they dont have to worry about being released on other platforms.

Sony is creating a new category of customers called the waiters. There's too many good games to select from these days. People can always afford to wait, especially when Sony is still stuck to making games with so much cut scenes that they can be watched on youtube and it's just as fun to watch it instead of playing it.

On another note, there's games like Unicorn Overlord that focuses on gameplay and it's much more fun to play that game then watching it. Sony is losing touch with its customers and what they want.

[Weltall8000]

Incomplete sales data. That's just physical, Japan sales.

You're also comparing different eras, different consoles, and exclusives vs multiplatform.

I have heard that Rebirth was the second (and 8th with the Twin Pack, which is apparently being counted separately) highest revenue in the US for February, only behind Helldivers 2.

Japan's moved heavily into mobile gaming, favoring Nintendo, leaving Sony/PS with smaller install base than in previous generations. We also had several years of low availability for PS5 that we just came off of last year.

Seems like Sony releasing games on PC is working out for them. They are making some pretty good numbers and mopping up with customers that they were never going to reach otherwise.

A lot of people have moved to just watching games, that seems to be a generational thing or at least a trend that cropped up over the past 15 or so years.

I wouldn't say Rebirth is without its problems, but the reality is, it is selling and it is well received.

[Pack 4 Potatoes]

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[Complete Domination]

Since the data is taken exclusively from Japan soil, it's only appropriate to focus on why Japanese would forsake Square Enix. Japanese are getting fed up with Square Enix making changes to appease westerners and even ignoring that frankly bloating one game into three parts by filling a generic action jrpg with tedious minigames is really a wrong way to go about remaking. This ain't no Starcraft 2 where they could get away with that one by the merits of esports.

Even FF13 trilogy has worse sales the deeper they go into sequel. Square Enix must be out of touch if they think they could've avoided bad sales just by capitalizing on nostalgic names alone.

[Weltall8000]

Originally posted by Complete Domination:

Since the data is taken exclusively from Japan soil, it's only appropriate to focus on why Japanese would forsake Square Enix. Japanese are getting fed up with Square Enix making changes to appease westerners and even ignoring that frankly bloating one game into three parts by filling a generic action jrpg with tedious minigames is really a wrong way to go about remaking. This ain't no Starcraft 2 where they could get away with that one by the merits of esports.

Even FF13 trilogy has worse sales the deeper they go into sequel. Square Enix must be out of touch if they think they could've avoided bad sales just by capitalizing on nostalgic names alone.

Do you have any evidence to that effect?

[Giganx]

Remake released on PS4, which has 10 million units sold in Japan.

Rebirth is a PS5 exclusive and PS5 only has 5 million units sold in Japan.

That and physical sales are basically a thing of the past at this point. Everything sells digitally nowadays, with physical representing less than 20% market share.

Originally posted by Complete Domination:

Even FF13 trilogy has worse sales the deeper they go into sequel.

New players aren't generally going to join in on game 2 of a trilogy. By design a sequel will generally never do better than the original, at absolute best it'll do roughly the same.

In reality 100% retention almost never happens, though; so sequels almost always sell worse.

[Leost]

Wait, is Rebirth part two of the remake series? I had no idea. I thought it was some other deal with a prequel about Sephiroth.

Thanks SE for naming things so so so poorly.

[Weltall8000]

Originally posted by Leost:

Wait, is Rebirth part two of the remake series? I had no idea. I thought it was some other deal with a prequel about Sephiroth.

Thanks SE for naming things so so so poorly.

If one is unfamiliar with it all, yeah, I could certainly agree that it isn't readily apparent.

[Bumblescrump]

Originally posted by Weltall8000:

Originally posted by Complete Domination:

Since the data is taken exclusively from Japan soil, it's only appropriate to focus on why Japanese would forsake Square Enix. Japanese are getting fed up with Square Enix making changes to appease westerners and even ignoring that frankly bloating one game into three parts by filling a generic action jrpg with tedious minigames is really a wrong way to go about remaking. This ain't no Starcraft 2 where they could get away with that one by the merits of esports.

Even FF13 trilogy has worse sales the deeper they go into sequel. Square Enix must be out of touch if they think they could've avoided bad sales just by capitalizing on nostalgic names alone.

Do you have any evidence to that effect?

Evidence: Trust me, bro. I want to believe.

[grape cough syrup]

People thought remake was going to be a real FF7 remake and sales were huge. After playing remake and realizing it is trash, the sales for rebirth reflect the lack of interest.

[Weltall8000]

Originally posted by 0xBEdear:

People thought remake was going to be a real FF7 remake and sales were huge. After playing remake and realizing it is trash, the sales for rebirth reflect the lack of interest.

I mean, Remake continued to move and reports are indicating that Rebirth is a top seller. Both being highly rated by players and critics.

[grape cough syrup]

Originally posted by Weltall8000:

Originally posted by 0xBEdear:

People thought remake was going to be a real FF7 remake and sales were huge. After playing remake and realizing it is trash, the sales for rebirth reflect the lack of interest.

I mean, Remake continued to move and reports are indicating that Rebirth is a top seller. Both being highly rated by players and critics.

Starting a sentence with "I mean" invalidates what you are going to say, just FYI

[Weltall8000]

Originally posted by 0xBEdear:

Originally posted by Weltall8000:

I mean, Remake continued to move and reports are indicating that Rebirth is a top seller. Both being highly rated by players and critics.

Starting a sentence with "I mean" invalidates what you are going to say, just FYI

You're wrong, Remake continued to move and reports are indicating that Rebirth is a top seller. Both being highly rated by players and critics.

Does that work better for you?

[grape cough syrup]

Originally posted by Weltall8000:

Originally posted by 0xBEdear:

Starting a sentence with "I mean" invalidates what you are going to say, just FYI

You're wrong, Remake continued to move and reports are indicating that Rebirth is a top seller. Both being highly rated by players and critics.

Does that work better for you?

Source?

[Weltall8000]

Originally posted by 0xBEdear:

Originally posted by Weltall8000:

You're wrong, Remake continued to move and reports are indicating that Rebirth is a top seller. Both being highly rated by players and critics.

Does that work better for you?

Source?

SE announced over 7 million Remake sales in 2023. (Over double the earlier three million figure that had been floating around since 2020).

The Rebirth US sales:

https://gamingbolt.com/helldivers-2-and-final-fantasy-7-rebirth-were-februarys-best-selling-games-in-the-us

This, if accurate, even ties into Remake continuing to see sales in the Twin Pack hitting #8, which is considered separate from the #2 Rebirth by itself.

So, in Japan, it opened first in launch week. In one day (plus preorders), it hit second for the month of February in the US.

The popularity/reception of Remake and Rebirth are evident on myriad sites and reviews, like Metacritic being one big example. Remake still hovers around 90% on Steam.

So, yeah, other than Rebirth's sales figures still being a developing story as we are waiting on more complete data to trickle in, everything you claimed is verifiably wrong.

[superbegita76800]

Rebirth did well but we will know the first picture when end of fiscal year drop...so yes towards April i assume SE will announce some figures (true ones not the gues one).

I expect digital sales highter than physiical ones in logical in this era of time.

Only Nintendo seems to doing very wel in regards to physical copies. Not the case anymore for Playstation. Moving to mobile phone and switch portable (so yes for the Switch case it will match this philosophy).