FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE INTERGRADE

FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE INTERGRADE

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K.o.K Mar 7, 2024 @ 11:09pm
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Rebirth flopped in Japan
it's sad to see SE falling for Sony exclusiveivity deals while Capcom,Namco Bandai and Konami never did those deals

enjoy the numbers

https://twitter.com/MightyKeef/status/1765869849845145780
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xnamxoutlawx Mar 9, 2024 @ 9:11pm 
Eh PS5 sales have been pretty horrible in JP I really wouldn't say it's a "Rebirth" failed in JP and more of a PS5 failed in JP.

Edit : Plus isn't that just physical copies? How are the digital sales?
Last edited by xnamxoutlawx; Mar 9, 2024 @ 9:20pm
Meow Mar 9, 2024 @ 9:15pm 
Originally posted by Daniel:
Originally posted by Azyle:
It is amusing to me to see Final Fantasy not be able to compete with the heavy hitters anymore. Zelda, FromSoft games, BG3, even like God of War now - FF and Square for that matter can't compete. Doesn't mean the games are bad tbf.

It’s because the western & japanese games effectively switched positions. Back in the 80s and 90s most western games were complete dog and/or rip-offs of japanese games. Today western games set the standard.
In the 70's - 80's Japan was inspired by the wests games for example Final Fantasy and Ultima (Hence Ultimania) and Dragon Quest with Wizardry. I own all the Ultimanias and they discuss it. I think 1980's - 1990's japan took off.
xnamxoutlawx Mar 9, 2024 @ 9:18pm 
Originally posted by ell:
Originally posted by K.o.K:

Digital sales are 30% lower compared to original remake
source?
He doesn't have any because he just made it up, the only real source would be literally from the lips of SE or Sony.
Meow Mar 9, 2024 @ 9:31pm 
Originally posted by K.o.K:
Originally posted by Pua:
Square Enix should see that even Sony is not doing PS5 exclusives for some of their titles, so they should stop limiting themselves to only one console if they want to kept being relevant.


Sony exclusivity is gaming cancer

It makes sense for Sony to not want to relegate themselves to just another developer they want to sell the Playstation it's not really a issue if you own one (chip shortage)

This in turn makes them want to pump out quality singleplayer games not all online dependent live service but console bangers and still be in the legacy realm of console disk etc.

Unlike Nintendo - Sony is actually placing their big games on Steam, GOG Galaxy etc.
which can be considered a time exclusive and that's ok ive got tons of games to play before Ghost of Tsushima directors cut & their other complete edition games make their way.

Another aspect is the 'Console Wars' between the big 3 keep games cheaper then a one company monopoly. People crying about the Console Wars are people who have picked a side/team.

Microsoft wants to relegate Sony with xbox but nothing has really changed, it's still Microsoft WIndows, Sony Playstation and Nintendo Portable.
Just Holding W Mar 9, 2024 @ 9:39pm 
Reading these forums is giving me a brain aneurysm, ngl. I enjoyed the hell out of Remake and I'm enjoying the hell out of Rebirth. Turns out, video games can be pretty fun if you turn a blind eye to the people that hate on anything new.
Meow Mar 9, 2024 @ 9:42pm 
Originally posted by Neon Sears:
Reading these forums is giving me a brain aneurysm, ngl. I enjoyed the hell out of Remake and I'm enjoying the hell out of Rebirth. Turns out, video games can be pretty fun if you turn a blind eye to the people that hate on anything new.

It's a very broad brush you are painting with there, you say anything 'new' but it's marketed to people who wants Remake not "Sequel'' or ''New IP'' or ''Reboot'', would you be saying false advertisement is Good because you liked the Game?
xnamxoutlawx Mar 9, 2024 @ 9:46pm 
Originally posted by Meow:
Originally posted by Neon Sears:
Reading these forums is giving me a brain aneurysm, ngl. I enjoyed the hell out of Remake and I'm enjoying the hell out of Rebirth. Turns out, video games can be pretty fun if you turn a blind eye to the people that hate on anything new.

It's a very broad brush you are painting with there, you say anything 'new' but it's marketed to people who wants Remake not "Sequel'' or ''New IP'' or ''Reboot'', would you be saying false advertisement is Good because you liked the Game?
This is really just a person seething and enjoying the supposed failure of Rebirth and SE because he's annoyed and pissy that he has to wait to play a timed exclusive, literally all this is.
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Meow Mar 9, 2024 @ 9:54pm 
Originally posted by xnamxoutlawx:
Originally posted by Meow:

It's a very broad brush you are painting with there, you say anything 'new' but it's marketed to people who wants Remake not "Sequel'' or ''New IP'' or ''Reboot'', would you be saying false advertisement is Good because you liked the Game?
This is really just a person seething and enjoying the supposed failure of Rebirth and SE because he's annoyed and pissy that he has to wait to play a timed exclusive, literally all this is.

Oh if it's addressed to the OP then that may be the case Neon Seers however said ''Reading these Forums..'' So quite a broad brush if you ask me, so i simply addressed their ''have a issue anything new'' argument which is not the OP's ''Sony exclusiveivity deals'' argument.
Sayo Mar 9, 2024 @ 11:00pm 
The number #1 selling game in Japan this year currently
"Yeah guys it flopped"
Bester Mar 12, 2024 @ 5:36am 
ok:steamthumbsup:
Tangsta Mar 12, 2024 @ 6:03am 
FF titles have always sold well despite being exclusives, so it has nothing to do with being a PS exclusive.

I would argue these low numbers are a combination of FF7 fatigue (look at how many FF7 related games have been release since Remake, it's a bit much), poor advertising on the cool features of Rebirth, and the fact that new gamers can't jump into this brand new FF unless they've played Remake or are a die hard FF7 fan. Rebirth is actually a great open RPG, but if you've played FF16, you'd think otherwise and assume Rebirth is more of the same.

All these factors together have limited the hype for Rebirth. I've always felt it was a mistake for Square to split this into 3 parts, I felt it was a very greedy decision and was born from the goal of financial gains than something truly creative.

The only way this could've worked was either as a single huge game, or if Remake really knocked it out of the park with old and new fans alike, which it didn't. Remake was good, but it wasn't good enough to get a whole army of gamers interested in the sequels. Square overestimated how popular FF7 still is in this day and age.

This 3 part approach turns off old school fans who know the story and are annoyed to have to wait for and play through 3 whole games to get the full experience, and I imagine new players are annoyed and confused as to why each game is not a complete experience, as that is FF tradition. Remake's ending left all players with more questions than answers.

Meanwhile you have new titles like Splatoon 3 setting all types of sales records in Japan, it's clear Japanese gamers have evolved. The fans of FF7 are in their 40s now, likely married with kids, they don't have the passion they have for gaming like they did in their teens or 20s, and Square seem to be struggling with pulling in new players.

All that said, I think Rebirth is a fantastic game (I'm 70 hours in and it's still blowing my mind), so it's a shame Square has decided to approach the development cycle this way. Rebirth is the best single player open world game Square has ever made, so I'm encouraged that future FF titles will now be better for it. If FF16 had all the mechanics Rebirth has, it would be a lot more popular.
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DBZ_KAKAROT Mar 12, 2024 @ 6:57am 
Originally posted by Tangsta:
I've always felt it was a mistake for Square to split this into 3 parts, I felt it was a very greedy decision and was born from the goal of financial gains that something truly creative.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this take. First there was NO WAY they could fit this whole trilogy into one game, that's absurd. If you can find a single example of a game as vast and in-depth with just Remake and Rebirth combined, nevermind the third game, id like to hear it. I'll throw some example, FF15 had to cut a lot of corners, for example you couldn't travel through Insomnia during the day time, I had to glitch out to expand the maps and the rest of the open-world was extremely empty. And that's the theme you're going to get with every open-world games, alot of emptiness. Even with games like RDR2 or Witcher 3, you name it, they mostly had small towns, nothing as a big or vast or indepth as Midgar, Junon, or Gold Saucer, etc. Even GTA5 which was one big city, not a world, and while there was alot of freedom, wasn't nearly the same amount of detail something like Midgar provided. For example GTA5 vehicles and building all looked the same, while Midgar had pipes at every corner of the screen, creating the illusion that it was a living breathing metropolis. But I digress, what if we wanted to leave the city? Then it looked something like an island, that makes it similar to Far Cry and other open-world games. Again there's nothing on the scale of FF7.

Secondly as far as it being a greedy decision, that's another absurd take, people are comfortable paying for multiple games, God of War is a good example. Could they have made that all in one game? Sure. Did they need to do that? No. Did it still sell? Yes.
The problem isn't that's it's on multiple games, the problem is something much deeper than that.

In conclusion, I feel the "real" reason why it isn't selling as much is #1 Sony, you could argue that FF7 was always exclusive to Sony, but I'm going to argue Sony from Japan is not the same as Sony from Commiefornia. Japan is slowly abandoning Sony, and so is the rest of the world. #2 Exclusivity, people are sick of Sony, and will not buy that console out of principle, and certainly not for one game they may want to play. PC gaming is a growing industry and people have woken up to it, people saw the first game came out here and see other playstation exclusives coming on here as well, there's literally no reason to buy an Playstation anymore other that getting first dibs, but most gamers are patient and cheap, so I really think that sums up as to why Rebirth isn't selling as much right now.
Tangsta Mar 12, 2024 @ 8:13am 
Originally posted by DBZ_KAKAROT:
Originally posted by Tangsta:
I've always felt it was a mistake for Square to split this into 3 parts, I felt it was a very greedy decision and was born from the goal of financial gains that something truly creative.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this take. First there was NO WAY they could fit this whole trilogy into one game, that's absurd. If you can find a single example of a game as vast and in-depth with just Remake and Rebirth combined, nevermind the third game, id like to hear it.

Your logic is flawed. It's only a trilogy because they decided it would be a trilogy. The original game was a single title, with a complete story, and I don't recall anyone back in the day complaining that the story was missing a bunch. It was a complete experience and garnered many fans and favourable reviews, and for good reason.

To now argue that "this was the only way it could be done" is both disingenuous and ignorant of the fact that there has never been a remake that was done in 3 parts before, and there has never been a FF story that needed 3 whole games to tell. None of this was necessary, and there were many ways they could have approached this.

A better approach would be to simply release a single game, focus on the main story elements with minimal side quests and mini games, and add those in later on as OPTIONAL dlc. That way gamers who just want to experience the main story, which I would argue is most gamers interested in the Remake, can do so without having to wait for 3 full games and pay for a whole bunch of dlc they did not want.

Square saw FF7 Remake as a milking opportunity, so they got greedy, and now they're getting burnt for it. To release a good quality RPG like Rebirth and still have poor sales is an indication of fatigue and low interest in the franchise.

In conclusion, I feel the "real" reason why it isn't selling as much is #1 Sony, you could argue that FF7 was always exclusive to Sony, but I'm going to argue Sony from Japan is not the same as Sony from Commiefornia.

This doesn't make any sense since Remake went through the same release process and it sold much better. You're just trying to make this about console wars and you're letting your hatred for Sony colour your opinions.
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DBZ_KAKAROT Mar 12, 2024 @ 8:42am 
Originally posted by Tangsta:

Your logic is flawed. It's only a trilogy because they decided it would be a trilogy. The original game was a single title, with a complete story, and I don't recall anyone back in the day complaining that the story was missing a bunch. It was a complete experience and garnered many fans and favourable reviews, and for good reason.

To now argue that "this was the only it could be done" is both disingenuous and ignorant of the fact that there has never been a remake that was done in 3 parts before, and there has never been a FF story that needed 3 whole games to tell. None of this was necessary.

A better approach would be to simply release a single game, focus on the main story elements with minimal side quests and mini games, and add those in later on as OPTIONAL dlc. That way gamers who just want to experience the main story, which I would argue is most gamers interested in the Remake, can do so without having to wait for 3 full games and pay for a whole bunch of dlc they did not want.

Square saw FF7 as a milking opportunity so they got greedy and now they're getting burnt for it. To release a good quality RPG like Rebirth and still have poor sales is an indication of fatigue and low interest in the franchise.

Wrong, I proved your logic is flawed, and now your throwing a hissy fit about it. They decided the games should be a trilogy for the same reason they decided Mass Effect should be a trilogy, or any other trilogy should be a trilogy, because FF7R =/= FF7, get it/ got it? Good.

Originally posted by Tangsta:
To now argue that "this was the only it could be done" is both disingenuous and ignorant of the fact that there has never been a remake that was done in 3 parts before, and there has never been a FF story that needed 3 whole games to tell. None of this was necessary.

I'm not sure what you quoted, but what's ignorant or disingenuous is that you didn't provide any examples for your counter argument, while I did.

Originally posted by Tangsta:
This doesn't make any sense since Remake went through the same release process and it sold much better. You're just trying to make this about console wars and you're letting your hatred for Sony colour your opinions.

It makes plenty of sense, you're just mad because I exposed you. You avoided anything about "poor sales is an indication of fatigue and low interest in" of the Sony Playstation, proves your just a soyboy who can't and won't accept facts. Stay salty my boy :steamsalty:
Tangsta Mar 12, 2024 @ 10:31am 
Originally posted by DBZ_KAKAROT:
Rant


Your argument has so many flaws in it I'm not sure where to even begin. So I'm not going to bother, and just let your post do all the work for me. It speaks volumes of a poster when his/her arguments get attacked, they respond with personal insults.
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