So about Rebirth...

[valkiriepumpum]

I´ve read people asking if they need to play Remake or the original FFVII to play this game and understand it or that they are going to jump into the bandwagon once it gets released without playing any single Final Fantasy before. How can people be like this? the whole point of Remake so you can enjoy the show is expanding the universe of FFVII with a new timeline.
For you to understand what´s going on and enjoy the whole experience, yes, you have to play the original then watch Advent Children. That´s the whole point. I enjoyed the game because I already knew what was going on, I saw my fav characters in a new setting with a new plot and new changes. Starting a story half way through just for likes or the lols is stupid, you are not going to enjoy or understand nothing. It is not the same. This games are not for casuals, that´s for sure.
And also, a quick search on google doesn´t hurt anybody. Spending +80€ in a story that you are not goint to understand or enjoy fully is very very stupid. Is like starting FFXIII-2 or 3 without playing the first ones :S

[Xengre]

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It's a direct sequel to 'Remake' unless Nomura goes for even more KH2-esque meta, you should play this first if you care/bother to play Rebirth.

The '2 Discs' stuff felt like a throwback to the fact that FF7 had 4 discs, but otherwise it doesn't mean much on its own, PS5 runs 100GB Blue-Rays, 2 discs would mean anywhere between (realistically) 120GB to 180GB. FF7R on PC is almost 100GB.

If the game's graphics are being improved over FF7R (hard to tell from footage) that alone will take more storage, they probably have a couple 4K CGI videos as well which take a lot of space.

Not disparaging the game as Rebirth seems to forego (at least partially judging by the trailer though the 'overworld' didn't have a lot of horizontality) the linear FF13-style exploration of FF7R and the events of Rebirth should de facto be more interesting than Remake but I'd temper expectations.

Just to clarify 2 Discs on PS5 actually mean about 300 up to 500 GB of uncompressed data compared to uncompressed. This is because each Blu-Ray disc, as you said, is 100 GB but also because PS5 has Oodle Kraken tech which allows around 30~60% compression improvements.

For example Subnautica on PS4 is 14GB while on PS5 it is 5GB. Control: Ultimate Edition on Xbox Series X/PC is 42.5GB but on the PS5 it is 25.79GB.

In addition to the high compression ratio of this tech it also has extremely powerful decompression capabilities meaning there is essentially no reason for things like video or audio to be decompressed in storage so bulky video and audio which commonly ate up tons of space historically in games will not be an issue here as it often isn't on PS5 in general.

I agree. It is extremely difficult to gauge the extent of the overworld / open area exploration based on the trailers or the visual changes (esp with Square Enix' atrocious behavior of nearly always uploading low quality videos for their trailers like this one).

What is interesting is the open wilderness areas likely take up a significant chunk of the game's overall physical volume to explore but such areas, which seems true in the trailer so far, tend to repeatedly use much the same assets for obvious reasons. Despite this the game is going to use two blu-ray discs and likely not for license protection reasons in this case which suggests the locales (cities/towns notably) we visit may be bulkier than I was expecting as they're more likely to use numerous assets compared to the wilderness, much like Remake's Midgar had a rich variety of assets.

One thing I hope for is they have strong enemy diversity in Rebirth which the Midgar section in the original game and remake episode 1 didn't particularly have.

[Weltall8000]

Xengre, since you're here and you seem to know all of the stuff...

I am thinking about grabbing FFXVI for PS5. Should I buy the physical or digital copy? I have only played two digital PS4 games on my family's PS5 and we have no physical games on it, so not really sure how physical discs with the console.

Think there is any difference on load times or anything significant? Does the physical copy wind up using a lot of storage space or just minimal for like save data and updates? I wonder how the sound (of the disc being read) will be? If I use the PS5, it is usually in the dead of night with the volume low. So, that actually is a consideration for me, hah!

If you don't mind taking the time to answer, I would appreciate your insight.

[Xengre]

Първоначално публикувано от Weltall8000:

Xengre, since you're here and you seem to know all of the stuff...

I am thinking about grabbing FFXVI for PS5. Should I buy the physical or digital copy? I have only played two digital PS4 games on my family's PS5 and we have no physical games on it, so not really sure how physical discs with the console.

Think there is any difference on load times or anything significant? Does the physical copy wind up using a lot of storage space or just minimal for like save data and updates? I wonder how the sound (of the disc being read) will be? If I use the PS5, it is usually in the dead of night with the volume low. So, that actually is a consideration for me, hah!

If you don't mind taking the time to answer, I would appreciate your insight.

For PS5 if a disc is used it is often for license purposes to prevent piracy because you must own a physical copy of it. Naturally, this doesn't influence the digital only version. This is why you will sometimes see instances of a disc used for a physical PS5 game that has less than 100MB of data on it because of this purpose and the entire game is basically downloaded over the internet (like one of the CoD games where you download entire game but need disc to play and has 100 MB of license data, or for instance two discs for physical PS5 remake edition but the play disc is nearly empty while the data disc is for install).

I don't own a PS5, personally, so one thing I don't know for sure and worth considering in your case is whether the verification check of a physical disc when playing makes much noise. It might not since it isn't reading much due to being just a verification check but I can't guarantee how they set it up with regards to that. Overall, if you can get the digital version unless there is something collector specific from a physical edition you really want I would just go for the digital copy now days, even for sake of backing up since often they don't even have game data on the disc, like the CoD example, and require it to be downloaded anyways so it is even gradually (some games do this some do not) losing its purpose as a means of archiving old games. As for loading, it will be the same regardless since it wont pull data for actual play from the disc in either physical or digital copies as it will run off the installed data, instead. I haven't looked into the Xbox for this purpose but I imagine it is much the same since it also has potent I/O capabilities and there is little reason to run off the disc now days, especially as disc reading even compared to the slower Xbox Series X is substantially slower than its internal storage.

[Weltall8000]

You are always so helpful. Digital it is. Thank you very much!

[Makeithappen]

"Should I play X before I play Y?"

Its probably the most common question on the internet when it comes to this series.
1st off I will say, no. You don't have to play OG to enjoy Remake or Rebirth.

However, if you do play OG FF7 you will appreciate the amount of detail put into the characters, the music, and many other aspects that made the original game great. Not necessarily nostalgia induced slices of joy, but what people might call easter eggs for this game.

I personally think they struck gold with Remake. Remakes and remasters of games don't really get this kind of attention or take a 6 hour piece of a game and turn it into 40 hours. I have a friend that has never played the original. And he kept asking me questions about "how they could create a 40 hour game out of the first few hours of the original? It seems to seamless."

When I played it it felt dragged in a few places like the side quests and as the game ages and you play it more than once, the game starts to show its age in some areas. But watching him play for the first time reminded me of my first time playing it. And I was blown away.
I was on cloud 9.

I think you might miss out on some fun stuff if you didn't play the original. But I think a lot of this pure joy I felt comes from playing this game back in 1997. They totally exceeded expectations.

[roymaster45]

As somebody whose only experience with the original is (A) cultural osmosis (e.g., knowing what Cloud looks like or knowing what happens to Aerith) and (B) watching a Let's Play of the original back in 2021 and barely remembering any of it... I actually didn't feel too lost playing Remake for the first time. Sure, maybe I would have enjoyed it more if I played the original first, or picked up on certain easter eggs / references / etc. - but I still had a great time.

That said, yes, it does feel baffling that people are asking whether they would need to play part 1 of the remake in order to understand what's going on in part 2.

[Weltall8000]

Neat to hear the perspective of people that haven't been around FFVII for the better part of 30 years. Glad that friends are getting into it and having a blast!

[Mako]

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if I played the original first, or picked up on certain easter eggs / references / etc

Its more about subtle yet often important character details. Like Barret's reaction when Elmyra tells Aerith's story and that she's adopted because Barret is also not Marlene's real father

[roymaster45]

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Първоначално публикувано от roymaster45:

if I played the original first, or picked up on certain easter eggs / references / etc

Its more about subtle yet often important character details. Like Barret's reaction when Elmyra tells Aerith's story and that she's adopted because Barret is also not Marlene's real father

Oh yeah, I remember that part. When I say I don't remember ANYTHING from the Let's Play I watched, that's kind of an exaggeration xD

[HisShadowX]

Първоначално публикувано от valkiriepumpum:

I´ve read people asking if they need to play Remake or the original FFVII to play this game and understand it or that they are going to jump into the bandwagon once it gets released without playing any single Final Fantasy before. How can people be like this? the whole point of Remake so you can enjoy the show is expanding the universe of FFVII with a new timeline.
For you to understand what´s going on and enjoy the whole experience, yes, you have to play the original then watch Advent Children. That´s the whole point. I enjoyed the game because I already knew what was going on, I saw my fav characters in a new setting with a new plot and new changes. Starting a story half way through just for likes or the lols is stupid, you are not going to enjoy or understand nothing. It is not the same. This games are not for casuals, that´s for sure.
And also, a quick search on google doesn´t hurt anybody. Spending +80€ in a story that you are not goint to understand or enjoy fully is very very stupid. Is like starting FFXIII-2 or 3 without playing the first ones :S

Square told us we would never get a remake and they are correct the word remake in the title is a play on words due to Sephiroth remaking the timeline. There is a lot going on and yeah even Dirge of Cerberus playing that gives you an idea of some of what is happening.