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Tifa, I am not sure how much of this is she is just trying to bury the past. Either repressing it due to PTSD or to save Cloud's feelings. In OG FFVII it eventually comes out that Tifa knew Cloud didn't come back to Nibelheim, it was Zack she remembered. (She was wrong, of course, as Cloud was there too just not as a SOLDIER.)
I was a little unclear about Shinra's knowledge of Cloud, as he was just a helmeted mook and data on him maybe could have been scrubbed due to the whole incident besides. Hard to say who would have been alive and would have had such intimate knowledge of Zack and Cloud that they'd put the two and two together at Shinra. Even Hojo didn't recognize Cloud or really care about him much until Northern Crater.
As for Aerith talking to Cloud about Zack, Weltall, this is because "1st Class" and "mako eyes" which reminded her of Zack and not about the sword. Cloud and Zack both came to Nibelheim in the OG, but Cloud's got his memories mixed up which left Tifa confused during the flashback and this comes up during the sephiroth fire scene late in the game and when he has to confront his memories while poisoned by lifestream.
CC has its own fun parts but it isn't consistent with the FF7 universe and takes liberties. Even Aerith's character is significantly, overwhelmingly, altered in CC compared to FF7 & R.
In 7 Aerith and Tifa do know but don't say anything to Cloud, there are some awkward moments in Gongaga and Nibelheim iirc in regards to how Tifa and Aerith interact with Cloud because of this.
Do you mean, as in "we stop using it because better weapons come along in the gameplay" or something else? If the former, sure, but that doesn't really do much for us narratively.
If the latter, I probably gotta disagree. I'd start off with the Buster Sword is on the title screen (New Game/Continue?) sitting very prominently with a spotlight on it. Furthermore, we are unable to even remove the Buster Sword from our inventory. In several cut scenes, Cloud is packing or even brandishing the Buster Sword, not whatever other weapon he has equipped in the gameplay. The Buster Sword is an important part of Cloud's story. In the extra scene where the player returns to Shinra Mansion in disc 3, and we see the end of Zack, Cloud picking up the fallen Zack's Buster Sword is an important and symbolic gesture that is vital to the chain of events leading up to, and beyond the events of FFVII. in so many ways, the Buster Sword is iconic of FFVII.
Iirc yeah, the eyes and rank were what prompted her in the dialogue. But Zack was sporting that when he would have been hanging out with her, right? And, we do have that Aerith dropped the subject with Cloud before really getting into it. Maybe the sword would have been brought up? Like, she recognized it, but didn't articulate that. Of course, that is me reading into it. Perhaps too much.
Right, but I took it as Tifa wasn't confused. She knew Cloud's account in Kalm was inaccurate. Why she didn't immediately correct him was (iirc), not necessarily directly spelled out, but I had the impression it was a combination of her not wanting to call him out, not wanting to face the memories herself, and not wanting to damage his fragile psyche, which she already had suspicions that he was not right in the head (which in OG FFVII they do circle back on, that she was almost immediately aware that something was off with him when she reunited with him in Midgar).
I did not get that she herself was actually confused, she knew something was wrong and he wasn't a reliable narrator.
When they get to Northern Crater the first time, Tifa finally revealed to Cloud that she knew his account wasn't correct all along. (Or maybe she was Jenova, is anything real?!)
Roundabout way to get to, we know she remembered Zack in Nibelheim. He can't conceal the Buster Sword and openly wore it anyway. It is pretty darn conspicuous and, it isn't every day she meets a SOLDIER First Class, much less two of them. On top of the events that happen over the course of that time, including in the mountain reactor. It seems like these would either be solidified within her mind or she'd repress them. And we know that she recalls a lot of details that she witnessed then and there. While I guess we don't have a line saying "I remember Zack Fair was there and he had the Buster Sword." ...I think it fair to say she remembered that weapon. A weapon like that would absolutely stick out...on a person who absolutely would stick out...in a party that absolutely would stick out...in a pivotal time of her life that absolutely would stick out.
And then, even if seeing Cloud with an identical sword immediately didn't trigger that memory (somehow), we have right after Midgar in Kalm, Cloud recounts this familiar, but wrong, story that she knows, tying that sword sitting right in front of her, to him, and the SOLDIER she met a few years ago. And yeah, we revisit this memory again in Northern Crater with the fire scene, and yet again inside the Lifestream, with Tifa helping Cloud piece it all back together for him to correct his memories, and then for them to get the real story. Of which, the only things Tifa didn't know were; Cloud was there, but helmeted and his identity hidden, and whatever happened after she was knocked unconscious at the reactor. Otherwise, her recollection was shown to be accurate.
She'd know the Buster Sword or at the very least, be suspicious of it in conjunction with his origin story, at the latest by Kalm...but probably immediately upon seeing Cloud the first time all messed up by the train in Midgar.
So, I'm left to believe she did not mention this, because she didn't want to upset Cloud, which is consistent with her not being like "...ummm, achtually..." in Kalm. Or because this was, understandably, a terrible event in her life, she didn't want to think about it. Which also comes across as a very human explanation. I don't buy that she simply forgot because it wasn't noteworthy...but I am also not convinced that it is a plot hole either.
Anyway, probably far too many words, but, whaddya think?
It does have some symbolic nature which is kind of why I found its short lived nature in the original a bit odd, myself. I wouldn't take it being used briefly too seriously as a comment, but just mentioned it because it did stand out as ironic.
To answer your question about Zack having it around Aerith. Yes, but not initially and for a huge chunk of the game. Much of the game he has a grunts sword until it gets passed on by Angeal. Ironically, Angeal actually ruins the symbolism of the sword for the OG and Remake. There is several layers to this as it wasn't just a memento of Zacks, nor did Zack even have it that long nor is it rendered a particularly meaningful memento of Zack in this case, but also because Angeal himself barely used it despite carrying it, and further it has a dark background as to how it was gotten that is the complete opposite of its inherent symbolism (all this in Crisis Core). Its kind of odd. Overall, no one ever brought up the buster sword in the original or remake and, in fact, it wasn't actually important. It was, effectively, merely a memento to Cloud and Cloud alone. Even stranger that Aerith's disposition basically supports this as she reacts to his eyes, his being 1st class, Zack's home town, and other stuff. It is entirely possible that when Aerith was around Zack, which doesn't appear to be much as he was busy and a playboy, she never saw the sword. Hard to say, especially as you put it the sword is very noticeable. Aerith also isn't the type to hold her tongue as she is extremely outspoken both as a kid and as an adult (though her character deviates in Crisis Core conflicting hard with both original and remake of FF7 in child flashbacks and her adult self which are consistent in those games but not CC). MINOR FF7R spoiler. Read at your own minor risk or after finishing the game: It does show up when Zack is shown at the end of the remake, too...
Its hard to say for sure but it seems Tifa, herself, had her doubts of her own recollection but most importantly just wanted to protect him as you and I both gather from it. This is kind of expanded further during the fire and sephiroth scene after Sephiroth is revived but I expect the remake to do this section more justice than some basic dialogue did in this case. We will see. Tifa did know of the connection between Cloud and Zack, though, so her not speaking of it during the game makes sense. Its stranger for characters like Aerith, the immensely retconned Tseng, Reno, Sephiroth in particular... considering their relationship, and others.
Granted, Crisis Core did come out after the original game so it only makes sense this was excluded. The fact that the remake has so far chosen to abstain from any indication that it connects Crisis Core as canon and how Crisis Core, even with the new Reunion version release, does not fix severely conflicting elements pretty much renders it a total spin off for fun and not to be taken seriously with the FF7 universe (though I actually would not be surprised if some elements are actually taken from it at some point in the remake, even if they're not necessarily true to Crisis Core's writing).
Yo, if your post is too many words then I'm f'd in almost every single one of my posts. xD
On the fire scene. More specifically, the setup/dialogue all around it (the scene itself was so awesome for the time). Yeah, I would love to see that done right and properly supported. In VII Remake, as far as I am, I think they have been handling Cloud's condition very well, so I have confidence they can deliver on these upcoming scenes.
Anyway, in that, I wonder if they will reference the Buster Sword, or at least have someone really eyeing it, tacitly telling us "Hmm...I know that sword..." Because there is, on the other hand of what all I said, if the writers thought of this...they probably would have explicitly mentioned it. They, or at least the translation we got in NA, wasn't particularly subtle. So, maybe it all is just a plot hole...but one that I don't think would be too hard to close without contradicting any established lore.
Yeah, those characters you enumerate, so much going on with them that is different, that I don't know how to gauge them this early in the trilogy.
But, good stuff to think about. Thanks!
Um no? In CC Cloud eyes are just normal blue. Mako eyes are light blue with faint greenish hue glow. The glow part used to be more noticable before Remake.